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Topic # 138677 13-Jan-2014 10:20 Send private message

The old thread is locked, so I'll ask again -- has IPv6 for end users on Genius got any closer to happening?

I'm happy to be a guinea pig -- on UFF, with a Genius router.

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  Reply # 965958 13-Jan-2014 10:32 Send private message

Yes closer :-) We have it working in the lab.

We ran into the issue that Chorus don't support DHCP Option 82 for IPV6 in their production network. Seems like a giant oversight to me since ipv6 is the future of the internet :P

Enable support it and UFF do as well (I believe) but as but haven't done any testing with them yet.




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  Reply # 965962 13-Jan-2014 10:34 One person supports this post Send private message

Changed the subject because, seriously, a single word does not make a thread.






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  Reply # 966084 13-Jan-2014 12:26 Send private message

Sounddude: Yes closer :-) We have it working in the lab.

We ran into the issue that Chorus don't support DHCP Option 82 for IPV6 in their production network. Seems like a giant oversight to me since ipv6 is the future of the internet :P

Enable support it and UFF do as well (I believe) but as but haven't done any testing with them yet.


I thought the GPON stuff was supposed to look like Ethernet -- does it do "clever" packet mangling too?  Sigh.

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  Reply # 966101 13-Jan-2014 12:40 Send private message

deadlyllama:
I thought the GPON stuff was supposed to look like Ethernet -- does it do "clever" packet mangling too?  Sigh.


yes for authentication only. Orcon uses DHCP to assign IP addressing (Some ISP's use PPPoE with a username/password).

DHCP Option 82 is inserted by the ONT so the ISP can tell who the end customer is. It does this my mangling your DHCP request.

No other mangling takes place by the GPON provider.

This is fairly standard stuff.






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  Reply # 966395 13-Jan-2014 18:58 Send private message

Sounddude:
deadlyllama:
I thought the GPON stuff was supposed to look like Ethernet -- does it do "clever" packet mangling too?  Sigh.


yes for authentication only. Orcon uses DHCP to assign IP addressing (Some ISP's use PPPoE with a username/password).

DHCP Option 82 is inserted by the ONT so the ISP can tell who the end customer is. It does this my mangling your DHCP request.

No other mangling takes place by the GPON provider.

This is fairly standard stuff.


Ah, makes sense, I thought they delivered every customer down their own VLAN/set of VLANs but I imagine scaling that (or even using it to identify customers) could get tricky.

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  Reply # 966434 13-Jan-2014 20:32 Send private message

deadlyllama:

Ah, makes sense, I thought they delivered every customer down their own VLAN/set of VLANs but I imagine scaling that (or even using it to identify customers) could get tricky.


Vlan numbers can change at any time and without notice, so not the best to use for authentication.

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  Reply # 966447 13-Jan-2014 21:08 Send private message

Isn't option 37 supposed to replace option 82 in the IPv6 world?

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  Reply # 966548 14-Jan-2014 07:49 Send private message

sbiddle: Isn't option 37 supposed to replace option 82 in the IPv6 world?


yup

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  Reply # 972088 22-Jan-2014 09:54 Send private message

Just a thought, if a customer wanted a static IPv6 (/48?) block, wouldn't it be relatively straight forward (IE: DHCP options are not required)?
Or are Orcon not planning to offer static IPv6 addressing?

If the option was available for a static block (without having to wait for DHCP options to be implemented), I'd jump at the opportunity.

I'm guessing my view on the subject is no doubt being overly simplistic.

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  Reply # 972089 22-Jan-2014 09:55 Send private message

We offer /48's on our business products. (Fibre, Colocation etc)

Res plans will get a /56 which will be given over DHCP, as DHCP is used for authentication of the service. Same with PPPoE/A type services.

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  Reply # 972094 22-Jan-2014 10:09 Send private message

Thanks. I think you might have mentioned that in the past now that you mention it (again). :)



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  Reply # 972114 22-Jan-2014 11:02 Send private message

Sounddude: We offer /48's on our business products. (Fibre, Colocation etc)

Res plans will get a /56 which will be given over DHCP, as DHCP is used for authentication of the service. Same with PPPoE/A type services.


Will the /56es be static?

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  Reply # 972120 22-Jan-2014 11:12 Send private message

Still in planning stages. So once we know what we are planning we will let you know.



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  Reply # 972246 22-Jan-2014 13:43 Send private message

Sounddude: Still in planning stages. So once we know what we are planning we will let you know.


If you can do static by default that would be great.  IPv6 provider delegation means all the nodes on my LAN will be numbered out of the /56 the modem gets, and it'd be really annoying if my LAN occasionally renumbered itself because the modem rebooted.

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  Reply # 972324 22-Jan-2014 15:53 Send private message

deadlyllama:
Sounddude: Still in planning stages. So once we know what we are planning we will let you know.


If you can do static by default that would be great.  IPv6 provider delegation means all the nodes on my LAN will be numbered out of the /56 the modem gets, and it'd be really annoying if my LAN occasionally renumbered itself because the modem rebooted.

I concur - although, I guess you could stick with link local, or unique local addressing (although that doesn't help with consistent global addressing).

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