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Reply # 967509 15-Jan-2014 12:54 Send private message

Jaxson: Question is will it still be an unencrypted feed on one of sky's transponders?

If so it will just be a manual retune.
If not then it's gone.
So, online feed, will this be free or via isky?


Trackside is already in the clear (unencrypted) on the D1 transponder NZ15-U 12671(H), along with C4, TV3 Akl, TV2, Prime regions, different transponders from TS.

As far as I can tell the streaming feed, from the TAB web page requires a login and an TAB account with a credit balance. Ouch

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  Reply # 967521 15-Jan-2014 13:11 Send private message

Trackside is already in the clear (unencrypted) on the D1 transponder NZ15-U 12671(H),

Yes a manual retune of your Freeview DTH STB will find the Sky version of Trackside.

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  Reply # 967546 15-Jan-2014 14:00 Send private message

You would think sky would put it on their igloo box, especially considering that box is targeted to the older viewer on a limited budget. Although igloos monthly cost for the sky channels appears to be higher than skys own cost, which doesn't make sense.

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  Reply # 967556 15-Jan-2014 14:14 Send private message

mattwnz: You would think sky would put it on their igloo box, especially considering that box is targeted to the older viewer on a limited budget. Although igloos monthly cost for the sky channels appears to be higher than skys own cost, which doesn't make sense.


It's already visable to Igloo as it's part of the DTT Kordia mux.

As far as I can tell Trackside are just removing the duplicated DTH (satelite) versions of Trackside. Just as Sky did with the duplicated versions of Prime.

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  Reply # 967563 15-Jan-2014 14:18 One person supports this post Send private message

You misunderstand, there are no duplicate transmissions. There is no Trackside on Freeview sat transponder, the only free to air DVB-S transmission is coming from a sky transponder.




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  Reply # 967630 15-Jan-2014 16:05 Send private message

Spyware: You misunderstand, there are no duplicate transmissions. There is no Trackside on Freeview sat transponder, the only free to air DVB-S transmission is coming from a sky transponder.


Ops, Yes correct.

I meant duplicatyed on DTT and DTH plaftorms.

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  Reply # 967679 15-Jan-2014 17:19 One person supports this post Send private message

It will only be a matter of time until the DVB-S signal is encrypted again on trackside .

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  Reply # 967720 15-Jan-2014 19:01 Send private message

Trackside won't exist in its current format. It will become Trackside 1, has anyone mailed the TAB to ask if will be FTA on D1. Trackside did test at the end of last year it was appearing on Channel 9 on Freeview satellite boxes for a short while.


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  Reply # 968214 16-Jan-2014 14:50 Send private message

Here's the FAQ's from the TAB interweb page.

Why is Trackside moving to SKY?
To enable the format and content of both Trackside and TAB TV to be enhanced for increased viewer entertainment. This will be achieved by splitting our content across two different channels, which can only be done by moving to a single platform like SKY, and will lessen duplication and allow for new content including magazine-style features, extended pre and post-race coverage for feature events, and additional races.

Why can’t you move both channels to Freeview?
When we move to SKY we will be able to start differentiating our two channels. The additional revenue received from this will enable us to invest in our programming and take on board the feedback customers have been giving us for many years. If we remain on Freeview we will not be able to make these investments.

The Melbourne Cup and a range of New Zealand’s premier racing events will still be freely available on the Prime channel and free racing is available via Watch&Bet Racing on tab.co.nz for TAB account customers who have a PC, iPhone or iPad.

Will any racing content be broadcast on Freeview after the change?
Yes 15 key races will still be available for free viewing. The Melbourne Cup and a range of New Zealand’s premier racing events will still also be available via Freeview on the Prime channel, including the New Zealand Trotting Cup, New Zealand Galloping Cup, Wellington Cup, Karaka Million, Waikato Sprint, Auckland Cup, Harness Jewels and the Great Northern Steeplechase.

Will the channels be the same as they are now or will changes be made to content?
From 1 August 2014 Trackside and TAB TV will be re-launched on SKY as Trackside 1 and Trackside 2. Both channels will showcase an exciting new content including magazine-style features, extended pre and post-race coverage for feature events, and additional races which are not currently broadcast on television. The intention that New Zealand racing will mainly be on Trackside 1 alongside major Australian meetings and other Australian and International racing on Trackside 2.

How do I take up the SKY offer?
Full details of the offer is available at sky.co.nz/tab. To sign up for the offer contact SKY on 0800 96 96 96 and quote offer number 4107. Customers must sign up for the offer before 30 November 2014.

I already have a SKY package, am I eligible for the special offer?
Only if you currently watch Trackside on Freeview using a second TV that is not connected to the SKY decoder. In this case you would be eligible for a special multiroom offer. The offer is free installation and your first 3 months rental is free*.   *Standard domestic installs only. After 3 months, Multiroom costs an extra $25 per month. The Multiroom decoder is a digital (not My SKY) decoder and must be in the same home as the primary decoder.

What if I don’t want to sign up for SKY?
After 13 April 2014 Trackside will no longer be available on Freeview. If you don’t want to sign up for SKY you will still be able to watch Trackside live streaming using Watch&Bet Racing via tab.co.nz using your PC, iPhone or iPad.
 
What happens if I take out the offer but do not want to pay for SKY after 31 December 2014?
Customers are under no obligation to re-subscribe to SKY once the special offer period expires. Customers will need to contact SKY prior to the end of the special promotional period.

How much will the SKY racing package cost after the free offer period?
After 31 December 2014 the SKY TV package will cost the standard rate for the digital decoder rental package, this is currently $18.70 per month. 

What if I want to take up the free offer and upgrade to a more comprehensive SKY package?
You can choose SKY Basic and a special discount of $18.86 will be deducted from their monthly bill through to 31 December 2014. SKY Basic currently costs $46.92 per month.        

Can I get a MY SKY decoder?
The MY SKY decoder is only available with SKY Basic. TAB customers will get a discount of $18.86 per month deducted from their bill through until 31 December 2014 if they upgrade to SKY basic (current cost $46.92 per month).

Can I upgrade to a multiroom SKY package?
Yes, TAB customers who are currently watching Trackside Freeview using a second TV. The special offer is free installation and your first 3 months rental is free. Multiroom currently costs $25 per month.
   
If I sign up for the offer when will my SKY dish and decoder be installed?
When you call SKY using the dedicated 0800 96 96 96 number and quote offer 4107 they will book an installation date and time with you.

Will TAB teletext be available on both channels on SKY?
Yes. From 14 April 2014 both Trackside and TAB TV will continue to carry teletext on the channels. However teletext is not available on MY SKY. Betting odds are always available on tab.co.nz, via TAB mobile and in store.

What about existing Telstra customers?
Telstra customers will still be able to access the two racing channels.

What about existing Igloo customers?
Currently Trackside is not available through Igloo as it is currently a free to air channel. From 14 April 2014 Trackside will no longer be a free to air channel and will only be available on SKY and via Watch&Bet Racing on tab.co.nz.

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  Reply # 968242 16-Jan-2014 15:32 Send private message

mattwnz: How many tens of millions of tax payer dollars were spent on creating new TV channels for the freeview platform for TVNZ, and now most have gone. I heard the cost was about 80 million, which doesn't appear ot have been money well spent. You once had Kidszone, 7, 6, U, TVNZ sprts etc. Some have gone to skytv, and sky are also playing alot of taxpayer funded content via heartland. Trackside isn't one of them, but it will be a loss to some. There are some new fringe channels, but you don't know how long they will be around for, and we don't need anymore shopping channels.


Heartland is a TVNZ product.. Just transmitted by SkyTV. TVNZ7 died when the government funding expired.  It was uneconomic.  TVNZ have been given a profit rather than public broadcaster imperative.

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  Reply # 968335 16-Jan-2014 16:59 Send private message

mattwnz: How many tens of millions of tax payer dollars were spent on creating new TV channels for the freeview platform for TVNZ, and now most have gone. I heard the cost was about 80 million, which doesn't appear ot have been money well spent. You once had Kidszone, 7, 6, U, TVNZ sprts etc. Some have gone to skytv, and sky are also playing alot of taxpayer funded content via heartland. Trackside isn't one of them, but it will be a loss to some. There are some new fringe channels, but you don't know how long they will be around for, and we don't need anymore shopping channels.


1.  Overall, the taxpayer was probably a major winner from this. The money thrown at new channels to significantly accelerate FV takeup and enable the analog network to be shut down needs to be looked at in light of the money that can be realised by licencing the freed-up spectrum for other uses. This hundreds of millions, compared to the tens of millions spent to enable it. Looked at that way, the money was probably very well spent.

2.  As I understand it, Heartland is a TVNZ product. They make money on it. As a taxpayer, I'm not upset that they can make some money by using the Sky platform to re-package and sell old material that would otherwise just moulder in their archives. The taxpayer isn't subsidising Heartland or Sky, to the contrary it appears the taxpayer is making money from it - remember that the cost of producing the old material is a sunk cost. If it had been commercially viable to transmit this material on FV, then I suspect TVNZ would have used TVNZ7 to do this.

3.  The TAB is a commercial operation that is there to benefit the racing industry - it isn't a public service. Yes some people will miss it no longer providing its coverage on the FV platform, but to be blunt that's just too bad. On the other hand, it could be considered a good thing that people now have to actively choose/pay to get the racing, and some people (eg those with a history of problem gambling trying to avoid relapsing) don't get involuntarily bombarded with horse racing every time they channel surf.


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  Reply # 968390 16-Jan-2014 17:39 Send private message

Looks like they just don't want to pay to be part of freeview, and I can totally see that.

Terrestrial customers will luck out initially, as it appears to still possibly be receivable via satellite unless Sky actively lock that down. From there it appears to be free to stream.

After that you pay for it, which hopefully your winnings from the track will help pay for right?!

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  Reply # 968440 16-Jan-2014 19:55 Send private message

The stream is encrypted like hell. ask Apsattv about our messages on facebook. i have tried literally everything i know. (i wont post anything here to do with it as i might get banned)

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  Reply # 968531 16-Jan-2014 22:12 Send private message

haydenmarsh: The stream is encrypted like hell. ask Apsattv about our messages on facebook. i have tried literally everything i know. (i wont post anything here to do with it as i might get banned)


Internet sauces are the way to go for this nowadays, the satellite option just doesn't work practically in our part of the world. Probably different in the likes of Europe but we're too far from our few neighbours here.

Looks like tab will stream live for free based on those FAQs posted above.

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  Reply # 968539 16-Jan-2014 22:20 Send private message

Jaxson:
haydenmarsh: The stream is encrypted like hell. ask Apsattv about our messages on facebook. i have tried literally everything i know. (i wont post anything here to do with it as i might get banned)


Internet sauces are the way to go for this nowadays, the satellite option just doesn't work practically in our part of the world. Probably different in the likes of Europe but we're too far from our few neighbours here.

Looks like tab will stream live for free based on those FAQs posted above.


If I can get the stream working well, i might make an XBMC plugin for it :)

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