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  Reply # 1333698 29-Jun-2015 21:25 Send private message

One channel, which is then duplicated on a live stream. Disappointing after espn last year with their espn3 coverage with all courts that had a camera were available. No reason for tvnz not to offer something similar. Can watch all the courts on the bbc app on my blu-Ray player anyway, probably be better quality too.



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  Reply # 1333798 30-Jun-2015 01:17 3 people support this post Send private message

@JarrodM
I guess your level of satisfaction reflects your expectations.

I've followed Wimbledon in past years on TV ONE, and I'm pretty sure this is the first year they've had a popup channel. I'd consider that an improvement. Their on-demand coverage looks like it will be better too.

As someone who doesn't want to give Sky a cent (nasty monopolistic so-and-sos!) and doesn't have a huge internet cap [for watching dodgy pirate streams], I'm very happy with what's available. It's live; it's HD; it's free; there aren't too many ads. I don't think it gets much better.

Thanks TVNZ and Wimbledon! smile

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  Reply # 1333879 30-Jun-2015 09:18 Send private message

mm1352000: @JarrodM
I've followed Wimbledon in past years on TV ONE, and I'm pretty sure this is the first year they've had a popup channel. I'd consider that an improvement. Their on-demand coverage looks like it will be better too.

Last time they covered it, they overflowed to one of their second tier channels.  Not much difference between that and the popup, except the second tier channel isn't there to overflow into this year.  Personally, I think they should just bump the Breakfast show.

Still, it's great free coverage if you can get it :-)

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  Reply # 1333927 30-Jun-2015 10:15 Send private message

Fairly impressed with their high quality TVNZ OD stream too, something to enjoy when you switch away from the TV One Broadcast

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  Reply # 1334274 30-Jun-2015 16:15 Send private message

Well, I got a reply to my question asking if the freeview channel 15 would be available to satellite viewers.  It reflects a complete lack of understanding, unfortunately.

Question:

 

It's great that Wimbledon will be on TV1, and I look forward to watching.

 

How as a satellite viewer with expensive metered broadband who can't watch ondemand, see the overflow channel 15 that's mentioned in your listings?

 

Reply:

 

If you have Freeview, you can watch the pop up channel.

 

Our recent Media Release reads as follows:

 

TVNZ will launch a pop-up channel (ONE Wimbledon Pop-Up) on Freeview Channel 15, offering overflow and encore coverage of Wimbledon from next Tuesday.

 

In addition to live coverage on TV ONE and TVNZ OnDemand, tennis fans can head to Freeview Channel 15 to enjoy continuation of live play from 6am followed by replay coverage of the day's matches from the iconic Grand Slam tournament.

 

Where to watch:

 

TV ONE Exclusive LIVE coverage:

 

Midnight to 6am NZT (Tues 30th June - Sat 11th July)

 

1am to 6am NZT (Sun 12th July - Mon 13th July)

 

* Mon 8th July - 'No Play' day (unless required by tournament)

 

TVNZ OnDemand:

 

LIVE Stream midnight until close of play

 

Daily highlights

 

Encore performance 'Game of the day'

 

Dedicated event page TVNZ.co.nz/Wimbledon

 

Channel 15 on Freeview:

 

6am to midnight/end of match

 

Continuation of LIVE play from TV ONE at 6am

 

Full replay coverage of the days matches

 

Christine Wilton

 

Communications Executive | Corporate Affairs

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  Reply # 1334307 30-Jun-2015 16:33 2 people support this post Send private message

Although I have zero interest in the tennis I do give full credit to TVNZ with their limited finances to have launched this channel.  My hope is they use this channel as a dedicated channel for other events they have rights to rather than bumping regular programming and disrupting regular viewers.  During its downtime when it's not actively being used I wish they use it for broadcasting stuff from their archive - similar to their Heartland channel that Sky recently shut down.

Their archive is huge full of tax-payer funded programming which has wide appeal.  It would cost them next to nothing to run other than someone to make up the programming schedule plus whatever added broadcasting costs which I think would be minimal.

Who cares if it doesn't get the massive ratings?  I'm sure this pop-up channel won't rate highly either but proves TVNZ are prepared to take the gamble and have the resources to run another channel.  And no I don't count the +1 channels.

Who wouldn't want to see how their city feared in Griffins Top Town or re-watch Shark in the Park?

This is EXACTLY what Freeview and digital broadcasting is about!

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  Reply # 1336816 4-Jul-2015 09:54 Send private message

Is there any highlights show?

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  Reply # 1336873 4-Jul-2015 11:36 Send private message

Groucho: Although I have zero interest in the tennis I do give full credit to TVNZ with their limited finances to have launched this channel.  My hope is they use this channel as a dedicated channel for other events they have rights to rather than bumping regular programming and disrupting regular viewers.  During its downtime when it's not actively being used I wish they use it for broadcasting stuff from their archive - similar to their Heartland channel that Sky recently shut down.

Their archive is huge full of tax-payer funded programming which has wide appeal.  It would cost them next to nothing to run other than someone to make up the programming schedule plus whatever added broadcasting costs which I think would be minimal.

Who cares if it doesn't get the massive ratings?  I'm sure this pop-up channel won't rate highly either but proves TVNZ are prepared to take the gamble and have the resources to run another channel.  And no I don't count the +1 channels.

Who wouldn't want to see how their city feared in Griffins Top Town or re-watch Shark in the Park?

This is EXACTLY what Freeview and digital broadcasting is about!


I don't mind TVNZ getting the Wimbledon rights, but I think the pop-up Freeview Channel 15 should also be available to SKY subscribers as discussed in this thread:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=175438

At the moment, we can only get the tennis on TVNZ1 on SKY until 6am. SKY has advised that they do not have the TVNZ pop-up channel available to SKY subscribers. At present, we are watching the Wimbledon tennis that is broadcast after 6am on internet. This is because, although our TV has Freeview, we have not set up a UHF aerial so that we can also watch Freeview. We didn't think we would ever need to have BOTH a UHF aerial and a SKY dish!

I think there will be quite a few other SKY subscribers who thought that all the Freeview channels would also be broadcast by SKY and are annoyed they cannot watch ALL the Wimbledon tennis on SKY!

Regards
Fred

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  Reply # 1336877 4-Jul-2015 11:45 Send private message

frednz: I don't mind TVNZ getting the Wimbledon rights, but I think the pop-up Freeview Channel 15 should also be available to SKY subscribers as discussed in this thread:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=175438

At the moment, we can only get the tennis on TVNZ1 on SKY until 6am. SKY has advised that they do not have the TVNZ pop-up channel available to SKY subscribers. At present, we are watching the Wimbledon tennis that is broadcast after 6am on internet. This is because, although our TV has Freeview, we have not set up a UHF aerial so that we can also watch Freeview. We didn't think we would ever need to have BOTH a UHF aerial and a SKY dish!

I think there will be quite a few other SKY subscribers who thought that all the Freeview channels would also be broadcast by SKY and are annoyed they cannot watch ALL the Wimbledon tennis on SKY!

Why can't you watch it on freeview?  Everyone I know who gets sky, has the television freeview either through satellite or aerial anyway, to switch to.  Not that satellite would help you, as TV ONE forgot us.

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  Reply # 1336883 4-Jul-2015 11:54 Send private message

rmt38:
frednz: I don't mind TVNZ getting the Wimbledon rights, but I think the pop-up Freeview Channel 15 should also be available to SKY subscribers as discussed in this thread:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=175438

At the moment, we can only get the tennis on TVNZ1 on SKY until 6am. SKY has advised that they do not have the TVNZ pop-up channel available to SKY subscribers. At present, we are watching the Wimbledon tennis that is broadcast after 6am on internet. This is because, although our TV has Freeview, we have not set up a UHF aerial so that we can also watch Freeview. We didn't think we would ever need to have BOTH a UHF aerial and a SKY dish!

I think there will be quite a few other SKY subscribers who thought that all the Freeview channels would also be broadcast by SKY and are annoyed they cannot watch ALL the Wimbledon tennis on SKY!

Why can't you watch it on freeview?  Everyone I know who gets sky, has the television freeview either through satellite or aerial anyway, to switch to.  Not that satellite would help you, as TV ONE forgot us.


We could watch it on Freeview if we buy a UHF aerial and get it properly installed. However, we shouldn't have to do this because SKY should be broadcasting the Freeview pop-up channel No 15. After all, if SKY makes TVNZ1, 2 and 3 available to its subscribers, why not also TVNZ pop-up channels?

Regards
Fred


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  Reply # 1336886 4-Jul-2015 12:02 Send private message

frednz:
rmt38:
frednz: I don't mind TVNZ getting the Wimbledon rights, but I think the pop-up Freeview Channel 15 should also be available to SKY subscribers as discussed in this thread:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=175438

At the moment, we can only get the tennis on TVNZ1 on SKY until 6am. SKY has advised that they do not have the TVNZ pop-up channel available to SKY subscribers. At present, we are watching the Wimbledon tennis that is broadcast after 6am on internet. This is because, although our TV has Freeview, we have not set up a UHF aerial so that we can also watch Freeview. We didn't think we would ever need to have BOTH a UHF aerial and a SKY dish!

I think there will be quite a few other SKY subscribers who thought that all the Freeview channels would also be broadcast by SKY and are annoyed they cannot watch ALL the Wimbledon tennis on SKY!

Why can't you watch it on freeview?  Everyone I know who gets sky, has the television freeview either through satellite or aerial anyway, to switch to.  Not that satellite would help you, as TV ONE forgot us.


We could watch it on Freeview if we buy a UHF aerial and get it properly installed. However, we shouldn't have to do this because SKY should be broadcasting the Freeview pop-up channel No 15. After all, if SKY makes TVNZ1 etc. available to its subscribers, why not also TVNZ pop-up channels?

Regards
Fred




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  Reply # 1336932 4-Jul-2015 15:10 Send private message

@frednz
I wouldn't be blaming Sky for the situation. The popup channel is TVNZ's channel. If the channel were to have made it onto the satellite, it would have been because TVNZ made it happen. I suspect the reason it hasn't happened is a combination of limited satellite transmission bandwidth availability and money.

Consider: what options did/do TVNZ have?

Their quarter (or whatever it is) transponder - 12483H - is full. In my opinion they cannot squash another channel into it without either removing an existing channel, or compromising the quality of all the channels they broadcast. Removing a channel is almost certainly off the table (NO, they're not going to remove a TV ONE regional variation; as dumb as it seems to us, the regional advertising capability makes them more money)... so this is not an option.

Every other option will mean increased transmission costs... assuming Sky, Optus, or Kordia (or whoever it is that leases 12456H) even have bandwidth available (which they may not). I guess TVNZ have assessed the situation - investment in Wimbledon broadcast rights, potential increase in audience size for advertising, costs for the various transmission options, the audience which will miss out because they don't have internet or an aerial, whatever other factors there are... - and decided they can't justify the expenditure.

Now, Sky may like to have had the channel for their subscribers... but either TVNZ didn't approach them about a transmission deal, or they don't want it enough to offer transmission at a cost that TVNZ could accept.

Ultimately, you have your internet connection and the option to get an aerial. If you want the channel enough, you can use one or both of these options... or not.

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  Reply # 1337015 4-Jul-2015 18:43 One person supports this post Send private message

mm1352000:  Removing a channel is almost certainly off the table (NO, they're not going to remove a TV ONE regional variation; as dumb as it seems to us, the regional advertising capability makes them more money)... so this is not an option.




Couldn't they do it on one of those ridiculous silly +1 channels that virtually no one watches. It's only an issue for satellite viewers. My understanding is that satellite is less than 15% of the FV market. So if they just put one of the other regions onto the Auckland +1 feed for the duration of Wimbledon then a fraction (the region getting Auckland's feed) of a fraction (who also watch the +1 channel) of a fraction (the less than 15% of FV viewers on satellite) would see a couple of wrong adverts over the course of a week.

The trivial number of viewers who would see a couple of ads for the wrong region would be far less, IMO, than the viewers they would be able to pick up to watch Wimbledon - as putting it on the freed up transponder would presumably also make it more readily accessible to Sky subscribers (circa 50% of the TV market).

In this age of PVRs, and on-demand streaming for anything you miss, I regard the amount of spectrum/transponder space chewed up by those +1 channels as essentially a pointless waste.



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  Reply # 1337076 4-Jul-2015 20:47 2 people support this post Send private message

JimmyH: Couldn't they do it on one of those ridiculous silly +1 channels that virtually no one watches.

From the adjectives that you've used it seems clear that you don't use them much if at all. Other people do though. For example, people that:
- don't have a recorder
- have a recorder and schedule lots of recordings (ie. the +1 channels enable "conflict resolution")
- not aware of on demand services
- don't have internet access (ie. no access to on demand services)
- have limited (low speed or data cap) internet (ie. not able to freely use on demand services)
- are not particularly computer literate (ie. can't manage to use on demand services)

Perhaps you could consider that other people have different needs to you.

JimmyH: It's only an issue for satellite viewers.

Yes, but it would be my guess that many of the people who are Freeview Satellite viewers may not have alternative access options. My point is that they're more likely to be upset if you [further] reduce their service and/or choices.

JimmyH: My understanding is that satellite is less than 15% of the FV market.

I have no idea if this is true.

The terrestrial (DVB-T) network supposedly reaches 87% of the population, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining 13% who can only receive satellite are the only people who use the satellite.

JimmyH: So if they just put one of the other regions onto the Auckland +1 feed for the duration of Wimbledon then a fraction (the region getting Auckland's feed) of a fraction (who also watch the +1 channel) of a fraction (the less than 15% of FV viewers on satellite) would see a couple of wrong adverts over the course of a week.

Your logic is off because there are no regional variants for either of the + 1 channels.

FYI TVNZ have the following channels on Freeview satellite:
- TV ONE Auckland
- TV ONE Waikato/Hamilton
- TV ONE Wellington
- TV ONE Christchurch
- TV2
- TV ONE plus 1
- TV2 +1

Therefore the choice must be between removing a TV ONE regional variant or a + 1 channel.

Removing a TV ONE regional variant is problematic. Advertisers pay a premium for the regional advertising service. If TVNZ don't provide the service they're contracted to provide then they leave themselves open to litigation.

Removing a + 1 channel may be problematic for the same reason (contractual obligations). Also, viewers may object to the loss of service.

JimmyH: The trivial number of viewers who would see a couple of ads for the wrong region would be far less, IMO, than the viewers they would be able to pick up to watch Wimbledon...

TVNZ make a significant proportion of their money from adverting. I haven't observed many if any ads on the popup channel. Ergo the popup channel may pick up viewers, but it isn't making money. It makes no business sense for TVNZ to replace either a TV ONE regional variant or + 1 channel that brings in money with a channel that doesn't.

JimmyH: ...as putting it on the freed up transponder would presumably also make it more readily accessible to Sky subscribers (circa 50% of the TV market).

This can't be assumed to be true. Sky would have to agree to pay TVNZ for the privilege of adding the popup channel to their lineup... and for the reasons explained above, the extra eyeballs wouldn't be earning TVNZ any money.

JimmyH: In this age of PVRs, and on-demand streaming for anything you miss, I regard the amount of spectrum/transponder space chewed up by those +1 channels as essentially a pointless waste.

Again, for a variety of reasons not everybody has a PVR or access to on demand streaming. The + 1 channels are a cheap way of catering to that audience.

From another angle...
You obviously resent the existence of the + 1 channels. However, this resentment seems to be based on an assumption that something better would exist if the + 1 channels did not. I don't think that's true.

Consider that there is already space on 12456H for 2 additional channels. I think the fact that bandwidth hasn't been snapped up is very telling. To me it indicates that competition for advertising $ and viewer attention is high. The demise of TVNZ Heartland is additional evidence for this point.

There's also the fact that removal of the + 1 channels wouldn't reduce content purchasing or transmission costs for TVNZ. This means the loss of the channels wouldn't put TVNZ in a better position to launching new channels. If funding for replacement channel(s) would have come from existing budgets then content on existing channels may be affected (ie. more cheap content such as reality TV).

Finally, the bandwidth consumed by the + 1 channels wouldn't be sufficient to enable either TV ONE or TV 2 to be broadcast in high definition via satellite.

What's the point of getting rid of the + 1 channels if they're not going to be replaced with something better?

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  Reply # 1337356 5-Jul-2015 17:13 Send private message

joker97: Is there any highlights show?

I believe the pop-up channel has a highlights show and full game replays.


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