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  Reply # 974796 26-Jan-2014 20:18

freitasm: Legally YOU CAN'T RIP DVDs in New Zealand, only CDs.

EDIT: MED FAQ about audio format ony.


I found this paragraph interesting:

The markets for audio visual works and music are evolving, they are different.  There are numerous business models for audiovisual works that do not apply to music.  Theatrical release, commercial rental (both physical and online models), free-to-air TV and pay TV do not have counterparts of any significant extent for music.  It is also unlikely that consumption of audio visual works "on the move" using mp3 players and the like will ever be as ubiquitous as for music.  It is not, therefore, possible to simply apply the conclusions reached about music to audio visual works.


It seems a bit out of date.  

Theatrical release admittedly doesn't really apply for music.  However, commercial rental certainly exists (physical - e.g. borrow CDs from public library, and online - spotify/google play music/pandora).  Similarly free-to-air TV is probably equivalent to radio, and pay TV is probably equivalent to paid music services like the aforementioned sites.

"It is also unlikely that consumption of audio visual works "on the move" using mp3 players and the like will ever be as ubiquitous as for music."

Clearly this has changed with the advent of the smartphone.  

I'd argue that the information they've based their conclusion on is dated, and there's probably a very good argument for format shifting to be applied for audiovisual works.

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  Reply # 974801 26-Jan-2014 20:24 Send private message

driller2000: i currently store all of my content ie. movies / tv / music (=20TB so far) on an unraid server - accessed via several xmbc clients across the house



nice to hear theres another local unraid user out there :)

driller2000: 
q: is vdsl or fibre delivering the above ie. full hd high bit rate video + hd sound for anyone?



i have heard a fair few people raving about easily doing HD cant really speak from experience myself though, to bent into my ways at this point.

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  Reply # 974823 26-Jan-2014 21:06 Send private message

Tbh i always used to be unraided but got sixk of having so many drives so made a 24x3tb raid 6 array and only have one drive there - so much nicer to :)

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  Reply # 974847 26-Jan-2014 21:57 Send private message

driller2000: i currently store all of my content ie. movies / tv / music (=20TB so far) on an unraid server - accessed via several xmbc clients across the house

that said i could see this behaviour change over time ie.


music - i have moved to online delivery via spotify (+existing locally stored content)

tv - once i get a decent connection i will likely move to hulu /netflix (+existing locally stored content)

movies - have trialed netflix and hulu - but for me, not being able to get full hd high bit rate video + hd sound over my adsl2 line means that for movies in particular i will likely keep storing it for the time being ie. until i can get a line that will deliver the above


q: is vdsl or fibre delivering the above ie. full hd high bit rate video + hd sound for anyone?



I got vdsl and it delivers super hd on my ps3 and I'm not sure about the audio. My connection is 30/10.





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  Reply # 974876 26-Jan-2014 23:26 One person supports this post Send private message

cheers for feedback re vdsl and hd video streaming - i have a request in for slingshot to change me over to vdsl (no fibre for us till 2016) - so a change may be coming sooner rather than later : )

will be interesting to see if ss global + vdsl = hd video without having to use unblock-us or similar

notes:

1. unraid - yeah very happy with it after 18 months of use - no issues re lost data / failed hdds etc - only issue has been a power outage leading to a parity/sync check - but 20 odd hrs later it was running sweet again

2. re hd streaming - i reckon this article sums up my personal position nicely....

http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu-ray-is-still-better-than-streaming-today/

ie. casual viewing = streaming
movies where you must have best video / audio quality = bluray



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  Reply # 974877 26-Jan-2014 23:44 Send private message

driller2000: cheers for feedback re vdsl and hd video streaming - i have a request in for slingshot to change me over to vdsl (no fibre for us till 2016) - so a change may be coming sooner rather than later : )

will be interesting to see if ss global + vdsl = hd video without having to use unblock-us or similar

notes:

1. unraid - yeah very happy with it after 18 months of use - no issues re lost data / failed hdds etc - only issue has been a power outage leading to a parity/sync check - but 20 odd hrs later it was running sweet again

2. re hd streaming - i reckon this article sums up my personal position nicely....

http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu-ray-is-still-better-than-streaming-today/

ie. casual viewing = streaming
movies where you must have best video / audio quality = bluray




power outtages are a total pain.. really need to get around to getting a UPS for mine, avoid thoses long waits..

absolutely agree, streaming cuts corners on quality.. personally, i can be rather picky with quality.. 

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  Reply # 974880 27-Jan-2014 00:35 Send private message

driller2000: q: is vdsl or fibre delivering the above ie. full hd high bit rate video + hd sound for anyone?


I have family that recently changed to VDSL (40/10 sync) and their Netflix streaming is fantastic. Granted - it was during an off-peak time, but the video seemed flawless on a 1080 screen. I can't really tell if the sound was HD (the built-in TV speakers are fairly average).

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  Reply # 974968 27-Jan-2014 10:24 Send private message

RE Legality of DVD ripping.

Sky had to get something back from the politician for all those "Donations".

I'm sure we were already ripping video when the politicians were looking into changing the law.
Lord of the rings on my iRiver H320 wasnt pretty but it worked and I think video capable iPods were already out then too.

And once the legislation was announced/passed I remember thinking how short sighted it was.

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  Reply # 974972 27-Jan-2014 10:44 Send private message

I just store the stuff that isn't readily available to download or stream again.

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  Reply # 975103 27-Jan-2014 14:32 Send private message

gehenna: I just store the stuff that isn't readily available to download or stream again.


That gives me bad ideas :(

O and to add further to mine, I was kindly given a dual bay NAS enclosure by a fellow Geekzone Member. Special thanks to them!!




 


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  Reply # 978043 31-Jan-2014 13:05 Send private message

freitasm: Legally YOU CAN'T RIP DVDs in New Zealand, only CDs.

EDIT: MED FAQ about audio format ony.


Although completely correct, let's see how the Movie/TV studio's get on proving their loss when you've ripped your own DVD's i.e. you would have committed a breach of the law but the Studio's have suffered no loss therefore any fine or punishment would be negligible.  They wouldn't have suffered a loss as you already had the product and would never have purchased a digital copy.

This is why no-one has been taken to task for this and also why the only thing the Studio's are really interested in is illegal downloading and not copying digitally what you already own in a hard format.

For the record I have a 42TB Windows Home Server 2011 setup with duplication through Drivepool.  That storage is 98% full and I need to purchase some more WD Red 4TB drives soon.  Of that, there are about 1,600 movies, all of which I have the DVD's or Blu-rays for - took an age to rip but so glad I did and am really enjoying watching some of the old movies again with my kids for the first time - my son flipped out over Star Wars [ep. 4] when he first saw it and that made me remember how cool it was to see it when it was first released (although of course he has only see the Lucas revised Bluray version and not the theatrical release - come on George release the original :-p ).


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  Reply # 978072 31-Jan-2014 13:34 Send private message

Otagolad:
... my son flipped out over Star Wars [ep. 4] when he first saw it and that made me remember how cool it was to see it when it was first released (although of course he has only see the Lucas revised Bluray version and not the theatrical release - come on George release the original :-p ).


The original theatrical version was released, but (from memory) only on DVD, not Blu-ray.

No real point asking George Lucas for anything. He sold "Star Wars" (and the rest of the Luxas empire) to Disney and he no longer has any legal say in what they do or don't do. The first of the new Star Wars movies (likely botched and barely recgonisable by JJ Abrams) starts filming soon.

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  Reply # 978099 31-Jan-2014 14:13 Send private message

Repurposed my 1st gen Acer Netbook (slow has hell, with Windows XP Home installed).
Upgraded a couple of times, but now have 2x 3TB hdd's plugged into the USB ports.
1 HDD for Movies ONLY, Other for all other backups, TV Series and Music / Audio stuff.

Always downloading new content and store it all on there.  Watch via XBMC on old xbox (still good, still plays mp4's even).  Can handle some 720p formats, but usually avoid these, or play via laptop into tv via hdmi cable.  All shares are available via my network, so if a friend is stuck outside waiting for me to get home, they can watch some old Simpsons episodes in the car on their phone/tablet while waiting for me.  =)




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  Reply # 978111 31-Jan-2014 14:27 Send private message

Buzz Bumble: 
The original theatrical version was released, but (from memory) only on DVD, not Blu-ray.


I'm not sure it was even released on DVD; I think maybe only VHS and laser disc?  I remember being quite pleased when I got the final VHS release because the first DVD release had all the changes to "Han shoots first" and all that. I still have them but no way to play them, lol.

EDIT: As for the re-release of the unedited versions... the story goes that they made the edits directly on the original film when they stuffed around with it so (supposedly) the originals don't even exist any more and there can never be a re-release.  There are various theories around how implausible this sounds, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

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  Reply # 978124 31-Jan-2014 14:39 Send private message

Where are you downloading the content from...
I'm keen on an commercial/legal source of movies that are in a format that plays on XBMC.


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