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  Reply # 154684 6-Aug-2008 16:32 Send private message

Excellent I have the right card! Will have to give this a go..

One question, I've heard rumors of cards deactivating themselves if they haven't been in the STB for a long time (or is it that Sky pushes an update to the card, and if they're not in the STB they stop working) - are any of you aware of this or encountered it? specifically the guys using Fiji :P

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  Reply # 154698 6-Aug-2008 17:07 Send private message

cranz: Excellent I have the right card! Will have to give this a go..



One question, I've heard rumors of cards deactivating themselves if they haven't been in the STB for a long time (or is it that Sky pushes an update to the card, and if they're not in the STB they stop working) - are any of you aware of this or encountered it? specifically the guys using Fiji :P


About once a month or so if you believe the press.  I chuck mine back in the decoder every now and then to use it on another TV.  If it actually misses the updates you will need to leave it in the decoder overnight so that it picks up on the next up-date "cycle" and gets its new encryption keys.

No updates go to the card while its in the PC.  It means if you wish to add channels or PPV the card needs to be in the decoder.

Funny thing is that includes channel removals as well as additions, ie I dropped the Rugby channel once Sport went widescreen it stuck around until I decided to put the card back in the decoder...

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  Reply # 154705 6-Aug-2008 17:25 Send private message

Oh ok so worst thing that happens is my card stop working in HTPC, chuck it back in decoder over night and its away running again til the next update is pushed? i.e. I'm not going to have to call sky for a new card if I miss an update :P

Also I assume this would be the 'Card updates' that NDSCam is currently working on?

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  Reply # 156099 11-Aug-2008 22:42 Send private message

Satch:

Well, the Sky installers just been.  I was told earlier that it was an actual Sky employee and not a contracter to Sky.  So my hopes of talking him into a 45XX card decreased slightly.

He came in, pulled out two Sky Cards (one was blue, the other was gold) saw my little silver Pace DS230 decoder, and turned over the blue one to write down the details on the job sheet.  I glanced over his shoulder and saw the magic numbers 45 on it!!

I didn't have to say diddly to him, and decided not to say anything else but "thanks mate".  He charged me $29.90 for the trouble.

I have a 45XX card now!!!!

Funny thing was though, as soon as he left, I managed to find my old 17XX card.  If only I had found it before he turned up.  Oh well, at least I can return the old card to Sky and get a full refund on my $29.90.



I see :) Have you had a chance to have a crack at this yet?

Suppose you did have to discuss the card with him, are there any reasons why one would want a 45xx card over a 17xx card apart from this that you or anyone know of?

Also, can anyone tell me if this Jaycar card reader is internal and can be hidden away inside a htpc case or is the manufacturers intention to be able to insert and remove the card without opening the case? (ie: does it stick out?)

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  Reply # 156230 12-Aug-2008 11:17 Send private message

Asmodeus:
Also, can anyone tell me if this Jaycar card reader is internal and can be hidden away inside a htpc case or is the manufacturers intention to be able to insert and remove the card without opening the case? (ie: does it stick out?)

Cheers


The Jaycar reader is just a PCB - mine fits in a 3.5 bay covered by a door on the PC case. You need to get power to it (floppy connector maybe) and connect it to serial, which you might be able to plumb off a header on your mobo (I do this), otherwise you've got to get outside of the PC case to plug into a serial port on the rear. It had a couple of LED's on it to indicate power and read/write but you don't really need to see those. Summary: Its not designed to fit inside a PC but there is nothing stopping you doing just that.

D



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  Reply # 156249 12-Aug-2008 12:19 Send private message

Asmodeus:

I see :) Have you had a chance to have a crack at this yet?


I got the kit and didn't take much notice of the kit part until I received an actual kit which I had to solder together myself.  It took me all weekend (in stops and starts) to construct it as I'm relatively new to a soldering iron and electronics.  I ran out of time to hook it all up so have set aside this Friday to do so.

Suppose you did have to discuss the card with him, are there any reasons why one would want a 45xx card over a 17xx card apart from this that you or anyone know of?


I said nothing to him.  He brought 2 cards with him.  A gold one and a 45XX card.  Because I have a silver Pace DS230 STB, he chose the 45XX card.  Perhaps I got lucky?

Also, can anyone tell me if this Jaycar card reader is internal and can be hidden away inside a htpc case or is the manufacturers intention to be able to insert and remove the card without opening the case? (ie: does it stick out?)

Cheers


As djaggar said, it's just a circuit board.  I plan on securing mine to an empty slot at the back of my HTPC so I can access the Sky card when required.  Has anyone actually confirmed for sure that you need to put your Sky card back into your STB every X days to ensure it stays active?

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Reply # 156252 12-Aug-2008 12:39 Send private message

Cheers guys! Just wanted to check a few things before I committed. Is it difficult to construct? Does one need anything other than a small soldering iron? Thanks! I intend to use it in a lounge htpc so dont want to be opening the case up all the time if possible.

Then just gotta try and luck out with the sky guy. I just hope he doesnt give me another card like I already have!

Also noticed that Jaycar has a "warning" on their site about this kit now (might not be new but 1st time Ive seen it). I think I'll order one today...


Jaycar has noticed a substantial increase in sales of the KC5361 Smart Card Programmer kit & ZZ8800 Programmable Gold Wafer Card. 

We strongly suspect that this maybe due to persons unknown some how using these products to make unlawfully generated access codes for the latest cable T.V. set top boxes.

 

We also wish to advise that we discourage this activity. For those legitimate users, the KC5361 Programmer kit & ZZ8800 Smart card are back in stock.

 

Once again please be reminded that we cannot accept any responsibility for the use of these devices in other than legitimate activities.





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  Reply # 156261 12-Aug-2008 13:02 Send private message

It's a pain in the arse to put together if you are not used to soldering electronics together like me.  Just make sure you spend some time first sorting out all of the components like resistors etc, and count them off against the counts in the (albeit limited )instructions.  A soldering iron is all I used (the kit even comes with enough solder) along with a pair of pliers and a philips head screw driver.

Try telling the Sky guy that you want a 45XX or new light blue card as a replacement, as you are trying to integrate it better into your HTPC.  Tell him you've heard it changes channels faster to the benefit of your IR blaster or something like that.  I don't think that these guys really care as much as we might think they do.

Let us know how you get on.

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  Reply # 156267 12-Aug-2008 13:23 Send private message

Satch: It's a pain in the arse to put together if you are not used to soldering electronics together like me.  Just make sure you spend some time first sorting out all of the components like resistors etc, and count them off against the counts in the (albeit limited )instructions.  A soldering iron is all I used (the kit even comes with enough solder) along with a pair of pliers and a philips head screw driver.

Try telling the Sky guy that you want a 45XX or new light blue card as a replacement, as you are trying to integrate it better into your HTPC.  Tell him you've heard it changes channels faster to the benefit of your IR blaster or something like that.  I don't think that these guys really care as much as we might think they do.

Let us know how you get on.


Thanks for the info Satch.

I was thinking about saying something to do with my htpc but couldnt think what and didnt want him to think I was gona be reprogramming or anything dodgy (wouldnt know where to begin anyway). I suspect you're right about them not caring too much though.

One last little question(s).... :) With the TV pack installed with native DVB-S support for VMC, Do I still need to use one or both of DVB-S bridge and ProgDVB as per Rusty gonad's instructions? Other thing was, will this work with any smartcard reader (eg: the infinity)?

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  Reply # 156282 12-Aug-2008 14:30 Send private message

Asmodeus:
 Other thing was, will this work with any smartcard reader (eg: the infinity)?
Pardon my noobness Embarassed


Yes, the infinity also works - its not internal either though - its a usb product and smaller than you might expect - smaller than the bare Jaycar. It gets it's power off the usb port.

I have both, use them with Hauppauge HVR4000 and GBPVR with the MDAPI plugin + NDSCAM 0.0.0.5
Build time for the Jaycar was under an hour for me - but I've had a bit of practice Smile

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  Reply # 156341 12-Aug-2008 17:16 Send private message

Asmodeus:
Satch: It's a pain in the arse to put together if you are not used to soldering electronics together like me.  Just make sure you spend some time first sorting out all of the components like resistors etc, and count them off against the counts in the (albeit limited )instructions.  A soldering iron is all I used (the kit even comes with enough solder) along with a pair of pliers and a philips head screw driver.

Try telling the Sky guy that you want a 45XX or new light blue card as a replacement, as you are trying to integrate it better into your HTPC.  Tell him you've heard it changes channels faster to the benefit of your IR blaster or something like that.  I don't think that these guys really care as much as we might think they do.

Let us know how you get on.


Thanks for the info Satch.

I was thinking about saying something to do with my htpc but couldnt think what and didnt want him to think I was gona be reprogramming or anything dodgy (wouldnt know where to begin anyway). I suspect you're right about them not caring too much though.

One last little question(s).... :) With the TV pack installed with native DVB-S support for VMC, Do I still need to use one or both of DVB-S bridge and ProgDVB as per Rusty gonad's instructions? Other thing was, will this work with any smartcard reader (eg: the infinity)?

Pardon my noobness Embarassed


You still need DVBSBridge with the TV pack.

What DVBSBridge does is get ProgDVB to tune and decrypt the channels before passing them to MCE as a psuedo DVB-T channel.  This means that MCE only needs to tune a display the channels.

What the TV Pack does is let you use the Over the Air guide, ie you don't need Bladerunner or anything else.  It also deinterlaces and displays the channels alot better than the old version, which is especially important with some of the lower bit rate Sky channels.

It also lets you use multiple tuners ie 1 for Sky, 1 or more for Freeview, along with a single guide, however there are still some bugs which I haven't got my head around yet  - some of these are a carryover from the Fiji beta.

I'll try to write up a dummies guide in the next few days if I can find some time.

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  Reply # 156383 12-Aug-2008 19:42 Send private message

RustyGonad: You still need DVBSBridge with the TV pack.

What DVBSBridge does is get ProgDVB to tune and decrypt the channels before passing them to MCE as a psuedo DVB-T channel.  This means that MCE only needs to tune a display the channels.

What the TV Pack does is let you use the Over the Air guide, ie you don't need Bladerunner or anything else.  It also deinterlaces and displays the channels alot better than the old version, which is especially important with some of the lower bit rate Sky channels.

It also lets you use multiple tuners ie 1 for Sky, 1 or more for Freeview, along with a single guide, however there are still some bugs which I haven't got my head around yet  - some of these are a carryover from the Fiji beta.

I'll try to write up a dummies guide in the next few days if I can find some time.


Great, thanks for that Rusty, still getting my head around alot of this but Im getting there. A dummies guide would be right up my alley Tongue out and would be extremely appreciated!





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  Reply # 156391 12-Aug-2008 20:34 Send private message

RustyGonad: I'll try to write up a dummies guide in the next few days if I can find some time.


I definitely qualify as a dummy and would really appreciate some sort of a guide too.Wink




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  Reply # 156392 12-Aug-2008 20:37 Send private message

I know the Jaycar card reader works, but what about other card readers? Some of the cheaper ones just specify ISO7816 support. Is this enough?


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  Reply # 156505 13-Aug-2008 09:38 Send private message

Asmodeus:
RustyGonad: You still need DVBSBridge with the TV pack.

What DVBSBridge does is get ProgDVB to tune and decrypt the channels before passing them to MCE as a psuedo DVB-T channel.? This means that MCE only needs to tune a display the channels.

What the TV Pack does is let you use the Over the Air guide, ie you don't need Bladerunner or anything else.? It also deinterlaces and displays the channels alot better than the old version, which is especially important with some of the lower bit rate Sky channels.

It also lets you use multiple tuners ie 1 for Sky, 1 or more for Freeview, along with a single guide, however there are still some bugs which I haven't got my head around yet? - some of these are a carryover from the Fiji beta.

I'll try to write up a dummies guide in the next few days if I can find some time.


Great, thanks for that Rusty, still getting my head around alot of this but Im getting there. A dummies guide would be right up my alley Tongue out and would be extremely appreciated!



Hi there, I've got mine going with ProgDVB & DVBSBridge and ndscam 0.0.0.5 I have to use bladerunner pro to grab the guide provided by DVBSBridge, what is the TV Pack you talk of, is this the released fiji update for Vista..? if so do you know where you can download it from..? if it comes as a windows update..? I'm keen to install a second Nova-S card and have a play with that will the TV pack help with recording one sky and watching another same as what I did with my old PVR 500MCE and 2x decoders..? cheers.. keep up the good work :-)

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