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  Reply # 587726 28-Feb-2012 10:15 Send private message

johnr:
ajw:
johnr: Most SIM cards come from Germany and if you can get them for 5 cents please feel free to get in contact with me.




Giffgaff a 100% owned subsidiary of 02 is giving them away as part of the deal and has been since 2009 in the UK.

http://giffgaff.com/


Sorry are we in the UK?


I note Vodafone In Australia retail prepay Sim Cards for $AU 1 dollar  so why are we paying a lot more here.

http://shop.vodafone.com.au/cart?_requestid=367321

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  Reply # 587732 28-Feb-2012 10:22 Send private message

Called competition and customer base.
One hostel I stayed at had a shelf with sim cards from most providers over here as he said the providers realized that alot of international people need a local sim and don't know what to do so they provided them to the local hostels to hand out and the all have a basic manual on how to top them up.

O and you have to top them up to be able to use them they do come with free credit.

but this is way off topic now.

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  Reply # 587736 28-Feb-2012 10:32 Send private message

ajw:  

I note Vodafone In Australia retail prepay Sim Cards for $AU 1 dollar  so why are we paying a lot more here.

http://shop.vodafone.com.au/cart?_requestid=367321


Well, there's nothing stopping you buying one, is there? 




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  Reply # 587741 28-Feb-2012 10:35 Send private message

ajw:
johnr:
ajw:
johnr: Most SIM cards come from Germany and if you can get them for 5 cents please feel free to get in contact with me.




Giffgaff a 100% owned subsidiary of 02 is giving them away as part of the deal and has been since 2009 in the UK.

http://giffgaff.com/


Sorry are we in the UK?


I note Vodafone In Australia retail prepay Sim Cards for $AU 1 dollar? so why are we paying a lot more here.

http://shop.vodafone.com.au/cart?_requestid=367321


One way flights are cheap to AU :P




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  Reply # 587745 28-Feb-2012 10:40 Send private message

Those answers from official telco representatives are not very nice, are they?

Reality is people see things being cheaper out there and ask (with reason) "why?" and in reply get condescending answers.

Not nice. Both of you.




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  Reply # 587749 28-Feb-2012 10:50 Send private message

freitasm: Those answers from official telco representatives are not very nice, are they?

Reality is people see things being cheaper out there and ask (with reason) "why?" and in reply get condescending answers.

Not nice. Both of you.


Well, in fairness we have both already pointed out that SIMs are NOT 5c each, in this thread and others. The reality is that they cost a lot to buy, and if some operators choose to absorb a loss on SIMs sometimes - as we did for quite some time - that that is their choice. But carrying on with that argument after it has already been pointed out smacks of being deliberately obtuse.

We are not charities, we are entitled to cover our own costs, make a profit, or a loss, as we so choose. So, to be clear, once and for all: SIMs are not free. Neither are they supposed to be throwaway items. It is not just the SIM; because we need to keep the account around for a year we also pay a lot for capacity on the network elements. Therefore, most of the time, SIMs will cost you money. If you think it's too much money, then don't throw away your SIMs.

EDIT: also, I am NOT the official telco representative. :-)




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  Reply # 587794 28-Feb-2012 12:25

freitasm: Those answers from official telco representatives are not very nice, are they?

Reality is people see things being cheaper out there and ask (with reason) "why?" and in reply get condescending answers.

Not nice. Both of you.


I don't agree - This is NZ, these questions are getting really silly from people who expect a little country in the middle of nowhere with a low population and low ROI for pretty much anything to be as competitive as the rest of the world. We have a different Marketplace.

Perhaps if the children stop complaining then there won't be any issues.  




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  Reply # 587799 28-Feb-2012 12:35 Send private message

I agree but that is no reason for people to be rude.




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  Reply # 587849 28-Feb-2012 14:40 Send private message

If nobody complains nothing ever changes.

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  Reply # 587854 28-Feb-2012 14:50 Send private message

Just a reminder that 2degrees offered free SIMs (Chinwag) pre and post launch and always looking to give our customers and potential customers better value, so please stay tuned. 

OK, back to the OP.  We've amended the page - http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/welcome - to reflect the changes.

Thanks for the feedback! 

^POB

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  Reply # 587859 28-Feb-2012 14:54 Send private message

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freitasm: Those answers from official telco representatives are not very nice, are they?

Reality is people see things being cheaper out there and ask (with reason) "why?" and in reply get condescending answers.

Not nice. Both of you.


I don't agree - This is NZ, these questions are getting really silly from people who expect a little country in the middle of nowhere with a low population and low ROI for pretty much anything to be as competitive as the rest of the world. We have a different Marketplace.

Perhaps if the children stop complaining then there won't be any issues.  


This is called globalisation.



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  Reply # 587863 28-Feb-2012 15:00 Send private message

My last experience buying a telecom sim last year, it cost $30, but it came with $30 credit, so effectively the card was free.
Also 2d used to sell $2 and $5 sims, but now only sell $10 ones, and when I got a $2 one a few years ago, I believe it did have $2 credit on it. So what was the difference between the $2, $5 and $10 cards? I thought the $10 sim would at least come with something, say $5 and the webpage did imply free credit, but that was obviously a mistake.

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  Reply # 587896 28-Feb-2012 16:07 Send private message

mattwnz: My last experience buying a telecom sim last year, it cost $30, but it came with $30 credit, so effectively the card was free.
Also 2d used to sell $2 and $5 sims, but now only sell $10 ones, and when I got a $2 one a few years ago, I believe it did have $2 credit on it. So what was the difference between the $2, $5 and $10 cards? I thought the $10 sim would at least come with something, say $5 and the webpage did imply free credit, but that was obviously a mistake.

If you don't want to pay $10 for the SIM nobody is forcing you to buy it.



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  Reply # 587900 28-Feb-2012 16:16 Send private message

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mattwnz: My last experience buying a telecom sim last year, it cost $30, but it came with $30 credit, so effectively the card was free.
Also 2d used to sell $2 and $5 sims, but now only sell $10 ones, and when I got a $2 one a few years ago, I believe it did have $2 credit on it. So what was the difference between the $2, $5 and $10 cards? I thought the $10 sim would at least come with something, say $5 and the webpage did imply free credit, but that was obviously a mistake.

If you don't want to pay $10 for the SIM nobody is forcing you to buy it.


You missed my point. I presumed the because the welcome page implied free credit on a new connection, that it would come with some free credit. They have now removed that text after I pointed it out to them, so it was obviously a mistake, as it was misleading to customers. But $10 just for a card, when they were $2, or $5 not that long ago, is quite a huge price increase, if they don't include some credit on it too. I think it should say if it includes credit on it or not, it doesn't mention what it actually covers.
I probably wouldn't have bothered switching from vodafone if I had known it would be quite a hassle (eg not working on my nokia 1100 phone due to the firmware on it), and effectively it cost me $10 to switch. Perhaps I will recoup that overtime.

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  Reply # 587901 28-Feb-2012 16:17 Send private message

mattwnz:
codyc1515:
mattwnz: My last experience buying a telecom sim last year, it cost $30, but it came with $30 credit, so effectively the card was free.
Also 2d used to sell $2 and $5 sims, but now only sell $10 ones, and when I got a $2 one a few years ago, I believe it did have $2 credit on it. So what was the difference between the $2, $5 and $10 cards? I thought the $10 sim would at least come with something, say $5 and the webpage did imply free credit, but that was obviously a mistake.

If you don't want to pay $10 for the SIM nobody is forcing you to buy it.


You missed my point. I assumed, because the welcome page implied free credit, that it would come with some free credit. They have now removed that text after I pointed it out to them, so it was obviously a mistake, as it was misleading to customers. But $10 just for a card, when they were $2, or $5 not that long ago, is quite a huge price increase, if they don't include some credit on it too. I think it should say if it includes credit on it or not, it doesn't mention what it actually covers.
I probably wouldn't have bothered switching from vodafone if I had known it would be quite a hassle (eg not working on my nokia 1100 phone due to the firmware), and effectively it cost me $10 to switch.

If it said on the packet $10 credit when you brought it and that was not the case and it did not have a clause saying they could change it then you might have a case. Otherwise, tough luck.

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