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  Reply # 718168 16-Nov-2012 11:09 Send private message

gehenna: I think it's sad that in NZ the best option for a graduate with an impressive qualification like BSc Info Systems is to get a helpdesk or desktop support job and work their way up.


It's the same for most graduates in other industries too though - eg. grad accountants can't just walk in to a firm & become a partner. They have to slog through low level jobs first. 
Medical grads have years of horrible long hours & shift work etc. so I don't think IT grads have it any worse.

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Uber Geek
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  Reply # 718173 16-Nov-2012 11:13 Send private message

My apologies about the Datacom comment earlier. It was a controversial comment and an inept comparison.

I have never heard a bad word said about their people or service delivery - just mild feedback from people who themselves worked there, most of that was years ago, and you will get that from any organisation.

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Ultimate Geek
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  Reply # 718179 16-Nov-2012 11:25 Send private message

My manager asked the question recently of what we wanted training in. I made the point of asking for training in the back end systems we use so I don't need to ask the Engineers lots of questions. My preferred training is on job..

One of the other team members asked to go on a M$ training course for Windows 7 as they are just installing it in the environment here - I had come from 2 years of configuring/installing and supporting and tried to reinforce that it was a waste of time for me.

Fell on deaf ears though and I was bundled off to a course that 2 months later is still useless for any skills development as we still are not able to use Win 7 here.

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  Reply # 719960 20-Nov-2012 10:01 Send private message

Personally I wouldn't wait/hope the company/prospective company to pay for my training, it is just going to slow you down. By the time you ask for it and they approved it, it can be months down the track(and this is given they actually have a budget to spend). I will treat any employer pay for training as a bonus. Also quite often what you want to study might not be in line with your job description and it can be difficult to justify to them as well.

For CCNA stuff, you should be able to self study quite easily. Start with CBT nuggets, books and practice with either real gears (off trademe, always have resell value), cisco packet tracer or even GNS3. I was able to get my my previous employer to pay for some study materials and exam cost (given that I passed). I found it is also easier to get them cough up couple of hundreds instead of couple of thousands.

Done 7 certs so far, 2 from vendors (through employers), all the others are self studied. Training academy is just a bit too costly.




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Ultimate Geek
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  Reply # 720009 20-Nov-2012 11:47 Send private message

It is unlikely to avoid datacom in the industry and every person will have their own impressions about the company

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Geek


  Reply # 720156 20-Nov-2012 15:36 Send private message

I agree with the peoples here talking about signing up with a good company Datacom sounds all good! The company should provide career progression and training. Although I personally find it hard working then having to commit to studying as well.

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Ultimate Geek
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  Reply # 727071 4-Dec-2012 20:41 Send private message

Also check out the many many MOOC out there, no cost and very flexible. Great for self studying, especially if you want to get some programming knowledge under your belt (among just some of the options).




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  Reply # 727184 5-Dec-2012 07:55 Send private message

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