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  Reply # 607606 10-Apr-2012 21:56 Send private message

The $25 fee is the only thing standing in the way of a plethora of notices being sent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6615426/Studios-want-cut-to-three-strikes-law-fees




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  Reply # 607641 11-Apr-2012 00:40 Send private message

And in true NZ Government fashion, the consultation specifically calls for feedback only from rights holders and ISPs. Us regular, ya know, citizens, don't get a look in, despite the process being all that protects us from a plethora of fraudulent notices like in the US of A.

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  Reply # 607717 11-Apr-2012 11:00 Send private message

Kyanar: And in true NZ Government fashion, the consultation specifically calls for feedback only from rights holders and ISPs. Us regular, ya know, citizens, don't get a look in, despite the process being all that protects us from a plethora of fraudulent notices like in the US of A.


This was my first thought, but on reflection the scope of the current review is limited to deciding whether the fees should change - that's all.  Therefore it makes sense that only ISPs\rights holders are involved, because they are the only ones that the fees directly affect.

Reading the actual Guidelines for submissions from the MED, I'm actually hopeful that the fees might go up - provided the ISPs spend time providing evidence of the costs to process these letters.


Us regular citizens should:

1) Have made more noise originally; bit late now though.
2) Be contacting our local MPs and making as much noise as possible now - they should be representing us in this and they need to understand that it's unpopular.
3) Most importantly we as geeks should be educating our friends\family\etc about the whole thing so that they can understand why the law as it currently stands is so idiotic\ill-concieved and they make noise too.



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  Reply # 607757 11-Apr-2012 11:55 Send private message

I have banned the OP because we have reasons to believe it's just someone stirring up and trying to put Orcon's name on sight.

Because of the discussion I will keep this unlocked, but I'm moving it to correct forum.




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  Reply # 607989 11-Apr-2012 19:17 Send private message

I had 3 warnings from Xnet years ago 2 for Xbox games (same company GH 4 and GH 5 downloading at the same time) and another for a crappy movie all accounted for nothing. Since the law changed I have changed my methods not my habits and as the law stands and is written if I've understood it right I am not going to get any notices at all.

As others have stated and linked to the 3 strikes is from the same copyright holder (or their agency) and at least 28 days apart and after 6 or 12 months they start to basically drop off like a speeding fine does. So in reality the chances of someone getting to 3 strikes is actually very slim in the first place.

If your a music downloader you could avoid them simply by downloading the artists discography in one hit then if they never released another album you'd never get anything from it. (Yes I know this is incorrect but if you were that way inclined already you know how to get around the law anyway).

I personally have bought more music and movies since the law came in not through changing my views on downloading it's just like someone pointed out todays music is mostly rubbish and I got nearly all of music before this law came in through a mix of methods buying and or ripping my cd collection with some downloading too and really only got stuff I'd previously owned. I will not pay for something I have already paid for once or twice. As for movies about a year ago I got a bluray player for my HTPC so have slowly built up a collection since then the only DVD's I buy are for my kids car DVD player.

To answer the question has anyone I know been caught under the 3 strikes law no.



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  Reply # 608005 11-Apr-2012 19:59 Send private message

I said that "from what i have heard" meaning I've heard it from a friend . I am not trying to advertise or criticize orcon in any way. My sincerely apologies to anyone including Mauricio Freitas  . Moving on, would you be safer if you use a different website therefor different trackers because it looks like most people getting caught is on piratebay ?

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  Reply # 608013 11-Apr-2012 20:16 Send private message

You would be safer simply by not illegally downloading there are alternatives to breaking the law. To answer your question changing your website and or tracker is one of many ways to lessen your chances of getting caught but I am pretty sure the specifics of the answer your looking for is in breach of the usage rules of this website so I wouldn't hold your hopes for a answer on a open forum like this. You could get a answer to that question just as easily by using Google for the exact same question.



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  Reply # 608017 11-Apr-2012 20:45 Send private message

Thank You for the reply. Very much appreciated.

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  Reply # 610920 18-Apr-2012 06:39 Send private message

"A TelstraClear customer may be the first to be hauled in front of the Copyright Tribunal and fined for internet piracy under the controversial "three strikes" copyright regime that came into effect in September.

TelstraClear spokesman Gary Bowering said it issued a third and final "enforcement" notice to a customer on Thursday for allegedly pirating music, after being instructed to do so by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand..."

See full article here:-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/6760917/Copyright-three-strikes-first-infringer

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  Reply # 610937 18-Apr-2012 08:14 Send private message

Skillie: "A TelstraClear customer may be the first to be hauled in front of the Copyright Tribunal and fined for internet piracy under the controversial "three strikes" copyright regime that came into effect in September.

TelstraClear spokesman Gary Bowering said it issued a third and final "enforcement" notice to a customer on Thursday for allegedly pirating music, after being instructed to do so by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand..."

See full article here:-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/6760917/Copyright-three-strikes-first-infringer


Who would have thought Stuff would predict the news.  Back in November they ran this article;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots

Ha ha, Telstra Clear is like a honey trap - UFB with large caps (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6758302/TelstraClear-launches-new-broadband-service) plus Fixed IP address.

Fixed IP = easy target.




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  Reply # 610943 18-Apr-2012 08:28 Send private message

I doubt the rights holders will actually prosecute though ? PR would look way too bad if they haul a little old lady up in front of the tribunal who had no idea what was going on.

No, I suspect they will wait until they catch somebody who is a true mass downloader who will be very hard to get sympathy from the public. An adult who has tens/hundreds of TBs of harddrives all filled with pirated music, movies games and pron, including loads of stuff that is available legally in NZ.

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  Reply # 610972 18-Apr-2012 08:44 Send private message

StarBlazer:
Fixed IP = easy target.


It's no different to any other ISP.

Sticky IP's are also the norm for most ISP's these days as it makes s93 compliance easier.


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  Reply # 610980 18-Apr-2012 09:00 Send private message

sbiddle:
StarBlazer:
Fixed IP = easy target.


It's no different to any other ISP.

Sticky IP's are also the norm for most ISP's these days as it makes s93 compliance easier.


When did that happen?  I always though dynamic was better for load balancing or something like that.




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  Reply # 610981 18-Apr-2012 09:00 Send private message

I think it makes the law more real if they ended up prosecuting a parent of teenage kids or a old person who's grandkids did it as it shows the public that if your not a responsible computer user and or responsible with those who do use your internet then your just as likely to get in trouble.

Change it to your car would you just as quick let your teenage grandkid take your car any time they want without asking questions about it's intended use or where you were going??? I know I sure as hell wouldn't why should your internet be different.

I am 90% positive (actually doubt anyone else at all would) that if I receive a infringement I will be the sole person who's responsible for that and if I wasn't then all access to the internet would be removed for any others in my house.

I do also believe I will not get a notice at all under current law.

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