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  Reply # 874073 8-Aug-2013 18:34 Send private message

I don't think we need to worry about Blizzard,Electronic Arts and CCP Games pulling their online game services from nz since they haven't said a word about it and if they were considering pulling their services from nz them we would have heard from them by now.



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  Reply # 874074 8-Aug-2013 18:35 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: For the same reason that nobody quits NZ when any other kind of compliance cost goes up. As long as they make a profit, they stay. It's simple. And if you compare wht they charge here for the same service in the US -- often served OUT OF the US -- you KNOW they're making a big fat profit.

Could you provide a couple of examples where nobody quits nz when compliance costs go up?



They didn't quit NZ the last time corporate tax rates were raised.

Thanks for the example.


Ok, if you insist: company taxes were raised in 1985 and GST was introduced in 1986. Microsoft has been selling stuff in NZ since 1981. Are you happy now? They're NOT going to leave.

I was thanking you for the example!

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  Reply # 874079 8-Aug-2013 18:36 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: For the same reason that nobody quits NZ when any other kind of compliance cost goes up. As long as they make a profit, they stay. It's simple. And if you compare wht they charge here for the same service in the US -- often served OUT OF the US -- you KNOW they're making a big fat profit.

Could you provide a couple of examples where nobody quits nz when compliance costs go up?



They didn't quit NZ the last time corporate tax rates were raised.

Thanks for the example.


Ok, if you insist: company taxes were raised in 1985 and GST was introduced in 1986. Microsoft has been selling stuff in NZ since 1981. Are you happy now? They're NOT going to leave.


And they probably pay next to NO tax in NZ, and GST is passed to the consumer.



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  Reply # 874080 8-Aug-2013 18:38 Send private message

blakamin:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: For the same reason that nobody quits NZ when any other kind of compliance cost goes up. As long as they make a profit, they stay. It's simple. And if you compare wht they charge here for the same service in the US -- often served OUT OF the US -- you KNOW they're making a big fat profit.

Could you provide a couple of examples where nobody quits nz when compliance costs go up?



They didn't quit NZ the last time corporate tax rates were raised.

Thanks for the example.


Ok, if you insist: company taxes were raised in 1985 and GST was introduced in 1986. Microsoft has been selling stuff in NZ since 1981. Are you happy now? They're NOT going to leave.


And they probably pay next to NO tax in NZ, and GST is passed to the consumer.

True,true as a matter of fact there's an ongoing issue in Ireland about Appple paying very little tax.

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  Reply # 874081 8-Aug-2013 18:41 Send private message

This article by Juha Saarinen, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.



edited to clear up issues.

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  Reply # 874082 8-Aug-2013 18:43 Send private message

blakamin:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ:
Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: For the same reason that nobody quits NZ when any other kind of compliance cost goes up. As long as they make a profit, they stay. It's simple. And if you compare wht they charge here for the same service in the US -- often served OUT OF the US -- you KNOW they're making a big fat profit.

Could you provide a couple of examples where nobody quits nz when compliance costs go up?



They didn't quit NZ the last time corporate tax rates were raised.

Thanks for the example.


Ok, if you insist: company taxes were raised in 1985 and GST was introduced in 1986. Microsoft has been selling stuff in NZ since 1981. Are you happy now? They're NOT going to leave.


And they probably pay next to NO tax in NZ, and GST is passed to the consumer.


And they are the consumer for quite a lot of stuff, for example, paper. Also, there is a compliance cost associated with passing on the GST to the consumer.




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  Reply # 874083 8-Aug-2013 18:45 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
And they are the consumer for quite a lot of stuff, for example, paper. Also, there is a compliance cost associated with passing on the GST to the consumer.


All of which they probably claim back on the little tax that they pay! lol.



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  Reply # 874084 8-Aug-2013 18:45 Send private message

blakamin: This article by Juha Saarinen of all people, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.

And they already comply with requests from the US NSA and possibly the UK GCHQ.
And do you have a problem with Juha Saarinen who wrote said article?

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  Reply # 874085 8-Aug-2013 18:48 Send private message

Techwarrior:
blakamin: This article by Juha Saarinen of all people, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.

And they already comply with requests from the US NSA and possibly the UK GCHQ.
And do you have a problem with Juha Saarinen who wrote said article?


Because they're a US company!

WTF?? Of course not! I pointed that out because if anyone knows what's going on in the NZ tech industry, it's Juha!!!!!



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  Reply # 874086 8-Aug-2013 18:50 Send private message

blakamin:
Techwarrior:
blakamin: This article by Juha Saarinen of all people, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.

And they already comply with requests from the US NSA and possibly the UK GCHQ.
And do you have a problem with Juha Saarinen who wrote said article?


Because they're a US company!

WTF?? Of course not! I pointed that out because if anyone knows what's going on in the NZ tech industry, it's Juha!!!!!

Sorry for suggesting you had a problem with Article's author it's just the way you typed her name suggested you did.

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  Reply # 874087 8-Aug-2013 18:51 Send private message

While I'd like to think these companies are bluffing, I have a feeling they're not. And does NZ really want to find out the hard way?

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  Reply # 874089 8-Aug-2013 18:51 Send private message

Techwarrior:
blakamin:
Techwarrior:
blakamin: This article by Juha Saarinen of all people, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.

And they already comply with requests from the US NSA and possibly the UK GCHQ.
And do you have a problem with Juha Saarinen who wrote said article?


Because they're a US company!

WTF?? Of course not! I pointed that out because if anyone knows what's going on in the NZ tech industry, it's Juha!!!!!

Sorry for suggesting you had a problem with Article's author it's just the way you typed her name suggested you did.

HIS name... ;-p

His blog is even hosted by GeekZone! http://juha.saarinen.org/



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  Reply # 874097 8-Aug-2013 18:52 Send private message

The article Blakamin linked suggested the US and NZ enter a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty to make information sharing easier.



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  Reply # 874099 8-Aug-2013 18:54 Send private message

blakamin:
Techwarrior:
blakamin:
Techwarrior:
blakamin: This article by Juha Saarinen of all people, has the bit about complying with NZ law possibly breaking US laws.

And they already comply with requests from the US NSA and possibly the UK GCHQ.
And do you have a problem with Juha Saarinen who wrote said article?


Because they're a US company!

WTF?? Of course not! I pointed that out because if anyone knows what's going on in the NZ tech industry, it's Juha!!!!!

Sorry for suggesting you had a problem with Article's author it's just the way you typed her name suggested you did.

HIS name... ;-p

Okay but it wasn't clear weither Juha Saarinen was a man or a women since it's the first time i've heard of him.

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  Reply # 874102 8-Aug-2013 18:59 Send private message

blakamin:
SaltyNZ:
And they are the consumer for quite a lot of stuff, for example, paper. Also, there is a compliance cost associated with passing on the GST to the consumer.


All of which they probably claim back on the little tax that they pay! lol.


Well, when they're that good at wiggling out of costs, I'm confident they'll manage this time too.




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