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  Reply # 890259 5-Sep-2013 12:31 Send private message

^That sounds much more realistic. It is actually 20mhz and 30mhz, but in all other cases they are referring to the paired 10 and 15mhz so certainly confusing.

Also by the time such devices and network equipment is available, we should be seeing LTE Advanced, hopefully with Inter band carrier aggregation popping up too, so perhaps with the 700, 1700 and 2600mhz available could see the combination of two or more bands for a further boost in speed.

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  Reply # 890270 5-Sep-2013 12:42 2 people support this post Send private message

With three bidders the maximum allowed is 15MHz each, under the proposed rules, although the govt can relax that to 20MHz for two bidders if one drops out... that would be a disaster in my view as we'd end up with a cosy duopoly in 700MHz, something that isn't good for customers.

But with prices set like this I'd hope we'll see three providers each win a similar amount each and then get stuck in.

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  Reply # 897759 18-Sep-2013 15:22 Send private message

old3eyes: Wait for the obligatory treaty claim to come along and screw up this auction..


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Communications and Information Technology Minister Amy Adams has welcomed the Waitangi Tribunal’s decision not to grant an urgent hearing of the WAI2224 claim regarding Māori interests in the 700 MHz band of radio spectrum.
“The Tribunal decision notes that the Crown has already had the benefit of the Tribunal’s advice on earlier, similar claims in making its decision regarding the allocation of spectrum,” Ms Adams says.

The allocation of the 700 MHz band of spectrum will allow the building of fourth generation (4G) mobile networks using the spectrum freed up by the switchover to digital television.

The auction is scheduled to start on 29 October 2013. The start date will be confirmed after completion of the bidder registration process.

The use of mobile broadband services is growing at an enormous rate in New Zealand. Fast, reliable access to mobile broadband is enabling improvements in productivity and ease of business, and providing new applications for consumers.

“The auction will enable early access for New Zealanders to 4G mobile technology, particularly in rural areas.

“Indications are that by using the spectrum for 4G mobile networks, we can expect economic benefits for New Zealand of up to $2.4 billion over the next twenty years.”

The Government has a number of initiatives underway to ensure Māori have access to the benefits of digital technology.

In addition, the Government is investigating the creation of a $30 million ICT development fund, focussed on the way government can help Maori leverage the potential benefits from new technologies, and promote and support the language and culture in a digital world.




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  Reply # 904753 29-Sep-2013 20:41 Send private message

PaulBrislen: With three bidders the maximum allowed is 15MHz each, under the proposed rules, although the govt can relax that to 20MHz for two bidders if one drops out... that would be a disaster in my view as we'd end up with a cosy duopoly in 700MHz, something that isn't good for customers.

But with prices set like this I'd hope we'll see three providers each win a similar amount each and then get stuck in.

They are paired blocks of spectrum, so thats maximum 30MHz per bidder and 40MHz if one drops out. Theres 9 lots of 2x5MHz, so total 90MHz up for auction.

I wouldn't be suprised if it goes a similar way to Australia, and not all of the 700MHz spectrum sells. Its useful for cities to get building penetration and for greater coverage in rural areas, but I think it was 2.5GHz that was more popular because it can handle the amounts of data expected for the LTE networks. 




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  Reply # 911673 9-Oct-2013 21:12 Send private message

webwat:
PaulBrislen: With three bidders the maximum allowed is 15MHz each, under the proposed rules, although the govt can relax that to 20MHz for two bidders if one drops out... that would be a disaster in my view as we'd end up with a cosy duopoly in 700MHz, something that isn't good for customers.

But with prices set like this I'd hope we'll see three providers each win a similar amount each and then get stuck in.

They are paired blocks of spectrum, so thats maximum 30MHz per bidder and 40MHz if one drops out. Theres 9 lots of 2x5MHz, so total 90MHz up for auction.

I wouldn't be suprised if it goes a similar way to Australia, and not all of the 700MHz spectrum sells. Its useful for cities to get building penetration and for greater coverage in rural areas, but I think it was 2.5GHz that was more popular because it can handle the amounts of data expected for the LTE networks. 


how does 2.5Ghz handle more data than 700Mhz?

is it just because the coverage area is less so there would be less devices on one site?













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  Reply # 911709 9-Oct-2013 21:55 Send private message

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webwat:
PaulBrislen: With three bidders the maximum allowed is 15MHz each, under the proposed rules, although the govt can relax that to 20MHz for two bidders if one drops out... that would be a disaster in my view as we'd end up with a cosy duopoly in 700MHz, something that isn't good for customers.

But with prices set like this I'd hope we'll see three providers each win a similar amount each and then get stuck in.

They are paired blocks of spectrum, so thats maximum 30MHz per bidder and 40MHz if one drops out. Theres 9 lots of 2x5MHz, so total 90MHz up for auction.

I wouldn't be suprised if it goes a similar way to Australia, and not all of the 700MHz spectrum sells. Its useful for cities to get building penetration and for greater coverage in rural areas, but I think it was 2.5GHz that was more popular because it can handle the amounts of data expected for the LTE networks. 


how does 2.5Ghz handle more data than 700Mhz?

is it just because the coverage area is less so there would be less devices on one site?
I could be terribly wrong here, but higher frequency allows more data to be carried in the same time span due to number of peaks and troughs in the wave, which correspond to 1s and 0s.  2.5Ghz allows 3.5x as many peaks and troughs as 700Mhz.

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  Reply # 911844 10-Oct-2013 07:27 Send private message

Hi, terribly wrong, a 5MHz section of spectrum at 700MHz will carry the exact same traffic capacity as a 5MHz section of spectrum at 2.1GHz assuming the same modulation parameters and setup.

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  Reply # 911870 10-Oct-2013 08:03 Send private message

cyril7: Hi, terribly wrong, a 5MHz section of spectrum at 700MHz will carry the exact same traffic capacity as a 5MHz section of spectrum at 2.1GHz assuming the same modulation parameters and setup.

Cyril


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Reply # 911890 10-Oct-2013 08:45 Send private message

Just making sure you knew 



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  Reply # 923966 30-Oct-2013 08:39 Send private message

Update from the Auction...

Three bidders successful in 700 MHz 4G spectrum auction       

Communications and Information Technology Minister Amy Adams today announced that the initial allocation round of the 700 MHz spectrum auction has resulted in 2degrees, Telecom, and Vodafone each acquiring management rights to spectrum in the 700 MHz band. Telecom and Vodafone have each successfully bid $66 million (plus GST) for 2x15 MHz (three lots), while 2degrees successfully bid for 2x10 MHz (two lots) at a price of $44 million (plus GST). The outcome leaves one 2x5 MHz block of spectrum unsold. The Government expects to make a decision about the unsold spectrum block in the coming weeks. In respect to any unsold spectrum, the auction rules allow the Government to relax the initial 2x15 MHz bidding limit to 2x20 MHz, enabling bidders to compete for the remaining block of spectrum in a supplementary allocation round. Alternatively, the Government could retain the unsold lot and allocate it at a later date.

“Overall, this is a successful outcome for the auction that bodes well for the future of competitive fourth generation (4G) mobile services in New Zealand”, Ms Adams says. “While 2degrees has bid for slightly less spectrum than Telecom and Vodafone, internationally we have seen that 2x10 MHz is sufficient to run a viable 4G network and provide much faster data speeds to mobile customers. “Examples of 4G mobile networks with 2x10 MHz of comparable spectrum can be found in Australia, the United Kingdom, South Korea, and many European countries.” The 700 MHz spectrum has been freed up for new uses following the switchover to digital television. The auction conditions include requirements for mobile network operators to upgrade their existing rural cell sites to 4G capability within five years, and for successful bidders to continue expanding cellular coverage. These requirements are designed to ensure that at least 90 per cent of New Zealanders have access to a 4G network and faster mobile broadband coverage within five years.

4G mobile broadband services are capable of speeds up to ten times faster than existing mobile data networks, and are expected to help meet growing consumer demand for mobile data. Indications are that by using the spectrum for 4G mobile networks, economic benefits for New Zealand of up to $2.4 billion can be expected over the next twenty years

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  Reply # 924035 30-Oct-2013 10:51 One person supports this post Send private message

Shame.. I personally think there should be one Chorus style infrastructure provide for nationwide 4G and then telecos can provide services.




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  Reply # 924046 30-Oct-2013 11:05 Send private message

openmedia: Shame.. I personally think there should be one Chorus style infrastructure provide for nationwide 4G and then telecos can provide services.

And personally I think that's the wrong approach since one failure could knock out all networks at once.

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  Reply # 924057 30-Oct-2013 11:17 One person supports this post Send private message

That could also mean less competition between telcos because Chorus is the one controlling the wholesale price

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  Reply # 924139 30-Oct-2013 12:34 Send private message

Disappointed that 2degrees didn't pick up the other block of spectrum, but expected given their size, the cost etc.

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  Reply # 924142 30-Oct-2013 12:35 Send private message

jonovw: That could also mean less competition between telcos because Chorus is the one controlling the wholesale price


Sorry not correct the Wholesale price is regulated by the NZ Government comcom




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