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  Reply # 976942 29-Jan-2014 22:30 3 people support this post Send private message

Haha this is the one and only idea Labour has ever had to boost business performance. Imagine if there was no facebook, the productivity in businesses would skyrocket.

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  Reply # 976947 29-Jan-2014 22:43 Send private message

I thought transfer pricing legislation was supposed to stop this sort of thing, and Inland Revenue and audit firms seem to be pretty good at detecting non compliance in that area. What exactly are these companies doing to legally deflate their taxable income?

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  Reply # 976952 29-Jan-2014 22:49 Send private message

How dumb can some people be.  

Didn't he think it through. 

Ban Facebook;
         Facebook loses less than one percent of its base,
         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.




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  Reply # 977614 30-Jan-2014 19:16 Send private message

How exactly does facebook make money in NZ? It's not like they're selling you anything.

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  Reply # 977621 30-Jan-2014 19:22 One person supports this post Send private message

blakamin: How exactly does facebook make money in NZ? It's not like they're selling you anything.


Advertising, NZ businesses pay facebook to put adverts on their website. Not sre if businesses claim back the GST, probably not. I don't think facebook ads are particularly effective though, I know a business that spent a lot on it, and didn't get any business from it at all.

I would be all for Labour banning facebook, I can't stand the site myself and it is very much like the wild west. But I think it doesn't have that long to live, as kids are moving away from it since older people started joining, and using things like snapchat and twitter.

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  Reply # 977626 30-Jan-2014 19:30 Send private message

Technofreak: How dumb can some people be.  

Didn't he think it through. 

Ban Facebook;
         Facebook loses less than one percent of its base,
         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.


The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced.




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  Reply # 977627 30-Jan-2014 19:38 Send private message

mattwnz:
blakamin: How exactly does facebook make money in NZ? It's not like they're selling you anything.


Advertising, NZ businesses pay facebook to put adverts on their website. Not sre if businesses claim back the GST, probably not. I don't think facebook ads are particularly effective though, I know a business that spent a lot on it, and didn't get any business from it at all.

I would be all for Labour banning facebook, I can't stand the site myself and it is very much like the wild west. But I think it doesn't have that long to live, as kids are moving away from it since older people started joining, and using things like snapchat and twitter.


Ah, I'm sure there's plenty of other advertising companies that don't pay tax in NZ either.

I don't use it at all. I used to have a page for reading things that required login, but I deleted it... If it's important, it's not on facebook.

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  Reply # 977630 30-Jan-2014 19:50 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
Technofreak: How dumb can some people be.  

Didn't he think it through. 

Ban Facebook;
         Facebook loses less than one percent of its base,
         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.


The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced.


Agree 100%. Note that all parties favour recovering these taxes, as does Australia. Read article on Stuff (yes, I know) this morning. If Labour's fail of mentioning banning had not occurred, this thread would not exist, JK said along the lines "not mentioning any names" 

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  Reply # 977679 30-Jan-2014 21:20 Send private message

blakamin:
mattwnz:
blakamin: How exactly does facebook make money in NZ? It's not like they're selling you anything.


Advertising, NZ businesses pay facebook to put adverts on their website. Not sre if businesses claim back the GST, probably not. I don't think facebook ads are particularly effective though, I know a business that spent a lot on it, and didn't get any business from it at all.

I would be all for Labour banning facebook, I can't stand the site myself and it is very much like the wild west. But I think it doesn't have that long to live, as kids are moving away from it since older people started joining, and using things like snapchat and twitter.


Ah, I'm sure there's plenty of other advertising companies that don't pay tax in NZ either.

I don't use it at all. I used to have a page for reading things that required login, but I deleted it... If it's important, it's not on facebook.


If the government were on the game, they should setup an advertising campaign to discourage people from using companies that don't pay tax in NZ. It could highlight things like how our schools and health system are missing out to pull on the emotions. There are plenty of online companies that appear to be NZ ones with NZ domains etc, but aren't based here or paying any tax at all. That is one reason I think that nz domains should be only for NZers, like what they do in Oz.

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  Reply # 977733 30-Jan-2014 23:04 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
Technofreak: How dumb can some people be.  

Didn't he think it through. 

Ban Facebook;
         Facebook loses less than one percent of its base,
         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.


The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced.


No where did I say getting the likes of Facebook to pay more taxes was a bad idea, in fact it's a bloody good idea.

This sort of evasion has been going on well before the internet, with companies using various ruses to shift profits to avoid tax. If it was easy to stop it would have been done by now.  There is an international working party on this right now and so far as I know New Zealand is participating.

My comment was to the dumb as s idea this guy suggested to get Facebook to pay more tax.  It didn't deserve the oxygen needed to proclaim it.

Truth be known it was just a grandstanding stunt which never had any intention of making Facebook pay more tax. If they think the voting public will believe this sort of statement then the question needs to be asked; Are they suitable candidates to run the country?

If they're going to say something on an issue like this, at least be credible.

The old saying remains true; It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.




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  Reply # 977751 30-Jan-2014 23:38 2 people support this post Send private message

Technofreak: How dumb can some people be.  


         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.


This made me LOL, classic, and TRUE :) 


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  Reply # 977783 31-Jan-2014 07:05 Send private message

Technofreak:
KiwiNZ:
Technofreak: How dumb can some people be.  

Didn't he think it through. 

Ban Facebook;
         Facebook loses less than one percent of its base,
         Labour potentially loses over 75% of their voters.


 Great effort, and these guys want us to believe they are smart enough to run the country.


The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced.


No where did I say getting the likes of Facebook to pay more taxes was a bad idea, in fact it's a bloody good idea.

This sort of evasion has been going on well before the internet, with companies using various ruses to shift profits to avoid tax. If it was easy to stop it would have been done by now.  There is an international working party on this right now and so far as I know New Zealand is participating.

My comment was to the dumb as s idea this guy suggested to get Facebook to pay more tax.  It didn't deserve the oxygen needed to proclaim it.

Truth be known it was just a grandstanding stunt which never had any intention of making Facebook pay more tax. If they think the voting public will believe this sort of statement then the question needs to be asked; Are they suitable candidates to run the country?

If they're going to say something on an issue like this, at least be credible.

The old saying remains true; It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.


Errrr I don't believe I stated in my post that you ever indicated that getting them to pay more taxes was a bad idea.




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  Reply # 977860 31-Jan-2014 10:03 Send private message

KiwiNZ: 
Errrr I don't believe I stated in my post that you ever indicated that getting them to pay more taxes was a bad idea.


I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but when you quoted my post and followed it with this 

The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced


I certainly got the impression you thought I was OK with companies like Facebook evading taxes, with your comment "all taxpayers should applaud any effort......"

Sorry, I don't applaud any effort based on a dumb idea.  




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  Reply # 977878 31-Jan-2014 10:32 Send private message

Technofreak:
KiwiNZ: 
Errrr I don't believe I stated in my post that you ever indicated that getting them to pay more taxes was a bad idea.


I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but when you quoted my post and followed it with this 

The banning thing is a bit out there, but all tax payers should applaud any effort made to ensure everyone pays their share, that way taxes in general could be reduced


I certainly got the impression you thought I was OK with companies like Facebook evading taxes, with your comment "all taxpayers should applaud any effort......"

Sorry, I don't applaud any effort based on a dumb idea.  


I don't think Labour, National, Conservatives have had a good idea in a very long time. 




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  Reply # 977881 31-Jan-2014 10:37 Send private message

The more government tries to tell business how they should operate, the more of them will go even further out of their way to funnel all their money out of NZ to avoid them. They only way they can stop companies exploiting the legal loopholes, is to close them, they dare not do this for fear of losing most of the larger corporations.





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