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Topic # 144288 13-May-2014 23:41 Send private message

I'm trying to get my head around the TICSA legislation. For the average lay person like myself its a maze of befuddlement so was wondering if it is possible to find a dumbed down source of information.

E.G: I know Telecommunications Provider means network provider and according to the act network provider means some one who provides a public data network ( and I quote) 

public data network—
  • (a)means a data network used, or intended for use, in whole or in part, by the public; and
  • (b)includes, without limitation, the following facilities:
    • (i)Internet access; and
    • (ii)email access

So if I provide email access to over 4000 people do I count as a Telecommunications provider? Is it 4000 people or 4000 connections? IE there are six in my family, are we one or six?

If I provide internet services but not email services do I count as a network provider.

Does email also cover off things such as web based mail systems with no pop / smpt / imap access?

Where do message sites, private message sites etc fit into this? For example, terrorist cells used gmail by writing a message in draft format on gmail, saving ti and the recipientlogs in reads the raft email, deletes it and never lets it leave the system. Does a private message board system count in a similar fashion?

What is to stop me making the public a private network? IE a busness is easy - its private and not public but an organisation that you join, is a private organisation, but it also provides network and email capabilities - is this covered under the law?

Is Geekzone, an orgnaisation which provides email, and potentially has over 4000 members, expempt or included? Personally - either way I don't care - I'm not changing memberships but am interested - where are the grey edges and how are they covered?

Lastly, if you are not sure if you are covered or required to be covered under this legislation this month is deadline to talk to them - if my reading is correct. I know I haven't but do I need to? According to the act if I am not sure i should but imagine every it geek who provides support for businesses, runs a web hosting services, email service, voip services etc signed up - they would be swamped.









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  Reply # 1043342 13-May-2014 23:45 Send private message

Other thought - If I'm a contractor or asked t bne contracted to a telecommunications provider and cant work as my secuirty clearence isn't completed, is thet a breach of my hman rights? If you apply for a tcom job do you need to be police checkd via the GCSB? Certainly the info makes it look like you might need to.

If the GCSB isn't doing the checking but NZ police are, how will they know ifI am an overseas terrorist or linked to overseas terroism without asking the GCSB, and if the GCSB is interested in protecting from overseas threats - as is their established role, why are the getting the police who have national security info to do the asking?

Hmm - legislation makes my brain hurt.





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  Reply # 1043346 14-May-2014 00:16 Send private message

No idea. There is a concise summary here but beware it is marked 'not the latest version' at the top: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0108/5.0/whole.html

Maybe ask the people responsible for enforcing for a summary. They suggest you contact them and ask if you are required to register.

It looks like it will create a kind of 'phone book' for police/gcsb so they know who to call.

Personally I can't help finding it a little creepy, but I think the claim is that this does not change the existing requirement that a warrant (or secret gcsb type action) is required for actual interception to occur.

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  Reply # 1043366 14-May-2014 07:08 Send private message

nunz: Other thought - If I'm a contractor or asked t bne contracted to a telecommunications provider and cant work as my secuirty clearence isn't completed, is thet a breach of my hman rights? If you apply for a tcom job do you need to be police checkd via the GCSB? Certainly the info makes it look like you might need to.

If the GCSB isn't doing the checking but NZ police are, how will they know ifI am an overseas terrorist or linked to overseas terroism without asking the GCSB, and if the GCSB is interested in protecting from overseas threats - as is their established role, why are the getting the police who have national security info to do the asking?

Hmm - legislation makes my brain hurt.



Very few people will require vetting, as we understand it so far. Probably just the people who have to deal with the spooks directly. I don't think the average contractor is going to be required to. So far it is more smoke than fire. In many ways it makes sense. Who better to advise on security than the people who know what all the bad guys are up to? (The people who actually design and run these things for a living? Well, yeah, there is that. We're not idiots. *shrug*). 

It's the potential for abuse that is of more concern. Any one of us could be required to prove we're not a bad guy and be out on our butts if we can't (because the legislation is vague enough to allow that). But on the flip side there is no reason to trust the GCSB other than that the law says we have to. They don't have to prove to us that they're not being bad guys, and they can refuse to answer any question they don't want to just by saying the magic phrase 'national security'. If anything, there's plenty of reason not to trust them - after all they're working hand in glove with people who do exactly the kind of things they're supposed to be protecting us against. Unclean hands and all that.




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  Reply # 1043379 14-May-2014 08:33 Send private message

You don't need the security clearance to work in the industry. You only need the security clearance to discuss classified information with the GCSB. (For example if they reject your proposal, based on XY, and you want to know what XY was, and XY was classified).



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  Reply # 1062766 10-Jun-2014 17:26 Send private message

Is concerning also what kind of regulatory burden this will put on ISPs, especially the smaller ones which will take the brunt of this.    "Internet service providers in New Zealand have new surveillance legislation to comply with, and it makes it more obvious that big brother is watching. Meanwhile, governments in the United States, United Kingdom, and elsewhere are working to mitigate a similar image in the wake of revelations by Edward Snowden.

The Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Act (TICSA) requires ISPs and other telecommunications services to register with New Zealand's police force, and disclose how many connections they provide in total, how many customers they have, and what their geographic scope is. This is meant to allow law enforcement agencies to have unhindered access to customer data.

Under the new law, New Zealand's Government Communications Security Bureau must also be notified of any infrastructure changes or major equipment purchases before they happen. Previously, ISPs and other telecom companies could make these decisions independently." "It's a bold, and strange, step, given the international climate surrounding government surveillance right now."


"The new law was slammed by web giants Google, Facebook and Microsoft last year as being from the 19th century and incompatible with international privacy legislation.

Despite this, the New Zealand government declined to exempt overseas operators from the new law."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/14/new_zealand_is_requiring_isps_to_register_with_the_police_and_give_agencies.html




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