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Topic # 25856 3-Sep-2008 16:49 Send private message

Welcome to the TVNZ7 Internet Debate (in association with InternetNZ) on Geekzone. Please use this discussion to post your questions regarding Cybersafety (includes privacy and security as well).




This will be an organised debate on ICT issues, streamed live to the official website and TVNZ7’s site, directly from Avalon Studios, 23rd September 2008 9:10pm on TVNZ7 (Freeview).

The debate involves four politicians quizzed on major areas of ICT policy with questions coming from you through the online chat, a studio audience, and experienced journalists.

The politicians are Labour’s Minister of Communications Hon David Cunliffe, National ICT Spokesperson Hon Maurice Williamson, ACT Leader Hon Rodney Hide and Greens ICT Spokesperson Metiria Turei.


You can participate live through an IRC channel or by posting your questions in this forum.

Other topics include:

     * Broadband (includes infrastructure, productivity, sustainability)
     * Convergence (includes broadcasting and mobile)
     * Copyright (includes open source)
     * Cybersafety (includes privacy and security as well)
     * Digital Divide (includes TSO and rural as well)

We ask you post only questions in this thread. Please address your question to the person(s) you want to ask it. You are welcome to create your own discussion in the ICT Policies and Regulation forum.

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  Reply # 163093 8-Sep-2008 15:34 Send private message

To all,
  • What kinds of regulations or changes would you implement, if any, to control what our children or other citizens can see and do on the internet? How far reaching would they be?
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  Reply # 166027 21-Sep-2008 14:01 Send private message

No-one wants to have young kids exposed to the kinds of harmful material that can be found out in odd corners of the internet. But neither does anyone (I hope) want an Internet safe only for 10 year-olds.

For all panellists: How will YOUR policies help achieve a balance between helping parents protect their children; and allowing the wider community to engage freely with the internet?

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  Reply # 166481 23-Sep-2008 10:38 Send private message

It has been suggested that privacy in the online world no longer means secrecy, but rather the ability to control who sees what information, in a more graded sense. How would your party update New Zealand's legislative framework around privacy and intellectual property to ensure it stays relevant in the 21st century?


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  Reply # 167252 26-Sep-2008 08:37 Send private message

There was a proposal earlier in the year to require ISPs and phone companies to record and store all email/SMS and surfing traffic long term for later retrieval by police.

How is the storage of an SMS (or email) different from photocopying mail as it transits NZ Post?

Do you support this?




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  Reply # 167255 26-Sep-2008 08:50 Send private message

jpollock: There was a proposal earlier in the year to require ISPs and phone companies to record and store all email/SMS and surfing traffic long term for later retrieval by police.

How is the storage of an SMS (or email) different from photocopying mail as it transits NZ Post?

Do you support this?


It's a bit late for this now - the debate is over.

It is a very interesting question however. I had the opportunity to listen to Maarten Kleintjes (head of the Police e-crime unit) and asked him the exact same question but also compared it to recording every phone call in New Zealand.

His response was that recording every phone call and photocopying every letter was impossible to do whereas recording every SMS was easily done so therefore carriers should be forced to do this. It was certainly a very lame answer from a person who seems to be so heavily focussed on the ability for Police to have access to this data and yet has not given a reason why this should be allowed.

Photocopying every piece of mail, recording every phonecall and making every citizen give DNA samples and fingerprints would probably result in 99% of crimes being solved instantly. It would also turn us into a nanny state. Logging every SMS does solve crimes - there is no disputing this. On the other hand people would object heavily if they were forced to give fingerprint samples, DNA or have their calls and mail recorded. How does this differ?


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  Reply # 167260 26-Sep-2008 09:09 Send private message

Yeah, after I clicked submit on all my questions I noticed that I missed the debate. :(

In my defense, it was on the RSS feed today. :)

I can't think of any technological reason to not be able to take a copy of every envelope that passes through NZ Post.  They have to do it already for automated message sorting.  It wouldn't take much to take a data feed off of the sorting machine and store it.

It would probably even be a smaller data feed than an SMS!

That is a from the great answer, which boils down to, "Because it is possible".

Oh well.






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Reply # 167262 26-Sep-2008 09:18 Send private message

jpollock: In my defense, it was on the RSS feed today. :)


I'd check the RSS feed reader configuration... 23 days to show up an item?




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  Reply # 167265 26-Sep-2008 09:21 Send private message

jpollock: Yeah, after I clicked submit on all my questions I noticed that I missed the debate. :(

In my defense, it was on the RSS feed today. :)

I can't think of any technological reason to not be able to take a copy of every envelope that passes through NZ Post.  They have to do it already for automated message sorting.  It wouldn't take much to take a data feed off of the sorting machine and store it.

It would probably even be a smaller data feed than an SMS!

That is a from the great answer, which boils down to, "Because it is possible".

Oh well.


But your proposal in just like Vodafone & Telecom do now - storing the billing details which is all they presently do. What the Police want to do would be to force NZ post to scan the contents of every letter as it's passing through. That's not quite so easily done! :-)

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  Reply # 167278 26-Sep-2008 09:44 Send private message

sbiddle:
But your proposal in just like Vodafone & Telecom do now - storing the billing details which is all they presently do. What the Police want to do would be to force NZ post to scan the contents of every letter as it's passing through. That's not quite so easily done! :-)


I was using the "SMS/Email as postcard" privacy view, where the information is easily retrievable without opening the envelope.

Most of that information is already retrieved by automated sorting machines (the address, complete with OCR), so I would expect that the data retrieval and retention requirements would be the same as for an SMS.

It's an insane invasion of privacy.




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  Reply # 167282 26-Sep-2008 09:56 Send private message

freitasm:
jpollock: In my defense, it was on the RSS feed today. :)


I'd check the RSS feed reader configuration... 23 days to show up an item?


I think it gets confused about some items being new or not.  Perhaps it popped off of the feed, and then back on again?  That would have caused it to report it as "new", same for any edits.

I'll be sure to check the date more carefully from now on. :)

I'm using netnewswire.




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