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  Reply # 188209 8-Jan-2009 14:52 Send private message

Hi McDave,

McDave:
what does committing the occasional home-grown faux-pas have to do with 10s of GBs of torrent-swiped music, movies & TV shows per month?


I understand that this could be seen as a black and white issue but copyright law just isn't like that.

My comment above is quite clear on the lack of subtlety and respect for existing copyright infringement defenses (aka rights). The grey area of changes to Fair Dealing is not dealt with in this law and ISPs cannot judge infringement in these cases yet they are compelled to act.


As I'm ranting - this situation isn't a case of guilty upon accusation.


The Consumers Institute of NZ recognise that it reverses the presumption of innocence, putting the onus on customer to prove their innocence rather than the accuser to prove their guilt. I agree with this analysis.

It's about ISPs becoming accountable for customers abusing their services when it's commercially beneficial for them to turn a blind eye.


Yes, just like the phone or post service. That the government intervenes in a private contractural agreement between two people based on allegations not held up to court scrutiny is the concern.

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  Reply # 188210 8-Jan-2009 14:54 Send private message

Spread the word, Section 92 is on tv one news TONIGHT with an interview with CFF co-founder Bronwyn Holloway-Smith. It's great that it's becoming a mainstream issue!

ps. For those really starting to dig into the law I've written this post on our forums about how we're aiming to deal with this.


edit: There's no video yet but here's TVNZ Coverage of Section 92a and the Creative Freedom Foundation.

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  Reply # 188378 9-Jan-2009 12:13 Send private message


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  Reply # 188385 9-Jan-2009 13:07 Send private message

just to add my 2c, ok they want to stop people downloading copyrighted material, then in order to help this then why not make it easier to access copyrighted material legally?
I take my hat off to iTunes who have now made it possible to legally download movies, but it would be very good if we could download TV episodes also

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  Reply # 188405 9-Jan-2009 16:16 Send private message

I just compared what's on US Itunes TV and whats on the Aus one. In Ozz they seem to get the old stuff and the left overs as I suspect we would get here as well.  Not much Scifi stuff on the Ozz one.  Battlestar Galactica. = series 1. US = series 4.  Guess the ozzys will still download if the stuff being served up is so old or non existent..

Looks like no HD stuff in Ozz either..





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  Reply # 188470 9-Jan-2009 20:53 Send private message

I'm wondering what would have happened if Section 92 had been in place at the time of the Telecom advert spoof - would the people sharing the video have lost their internet access?

What if it was a sample of John Key, or Rodney Hide, or...
Seems like a good way to suppress criticism (even if that wasn't the original intention).

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  Reply # 188478 9-Jan-2009 22:44 Send private message

ZOMG no!

Where will i get my monthly 1TB porn fix!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!

Seriously, yay for encrypted downloads and yay for IP spoofing.

If the movie companies charged me $5 per download without all the dvd packaging, all of the shipping costs they pay, id be more than happy to pay it.
I go to watch the "keeper" movies i download at the movies anyways. 








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Reply # 188544 10-Jan-2009 11:54 Send private message

Hmmm... It looks like I will downgrade my subscription from 40GB to 3GB monthly hehehe...Money mouth

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  Reply # 188584 10-Jan-2009 15:27 Send private message

wait a moment.......doesnt xtra use this already????????

Afaik rapidshare is totally untrackable.





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  Reply # 188611 10-Jan-2009 17:35 Send private message

I was reading recently one small isp over in the states is charging the complainants a fee for the labour in cross checking.

They recieve a complaint about one of their customers
They reply asking for the billing address of the complainer before doing anything
They usually dont get a reply and therefore dont bother spending the time on doing anything against the interests of their customers.




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  Reply # 188617 10-Jan-2009 18:01 Send private message

That sounds like a better system.


I'd personally like to see at the minimum (I'm still a fan of going through the existing court system) - a penalty fee for the music/movie company who makes false/unproven accusations. A nice suggested figure is $5000 - $2500 for the ISP for its time etc, $2500 for the person impacted by these false complaints.

That way, there is a very big incentive to get things right.




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  Reply # 188650 10-Jan-2009 20:52 Send private message

cokemaster: That sounds like a better system.


I'd personally like to see at the minimum (I'm still a fan of going through the existing court system) - a penalty fee for the music/movie company who makes false/unproven accusations. A nice suggested figure is $5000 - $2500 for the ISP for its time etc, $2500 for the person impacted by these false complaints.

That way, there is a very big incentive to get things right.


I cant remember where i read the story - was either via slashdot or digg. Anyhow i got the feeling the cost was only about $150 that they wanted to charge for about 3 hours labour for cross checking which i thought was reasonable but enough to make an RIAA representative think twice about the lack of evidence they were presenting.

Does anyone have a link to the story on one news? Any other links i have seen to tvnz ondemmand only show the latest episode of the 6pm news and its been a few days now :-(




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  Reply # 188692 11-Jan-2009 00:15 Send private message

Well I only found out about this law and since I work at a school I can definately see its benefits. I'm pretty sure our internet would be disconnected almost as soon as the law takes effect and then I will no longer need to worry about mainting a proxy server or spending any more of my little budget on a connection, domain name e-mail and whatnot.
 

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  Reply # 188696 11-Jan-2009 00:59 Send private message

xtra/telecom been getting letter's from the MPAA for ages about there cilent DL copyrighted stuff..... i dont know of 1 xtra/telecom cusytomer being disconnected for this. just have to wait and see
but the way around this is .............................

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  Reply # 188699 11-Jan-2009 02:38 Send private message

I have just typed up a letter to my local mp and will be dropping it into his office on monday




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