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Topic # 62370 5-Jun-2010 09:25 Send private message

This is a pretty relevant article as we have been discussing in serval topics from FTTH to Internal cabling as well as plenty of topics around broadband speeds,  the document I have been promoting in a couple of these threads is a very good doco and a lot of work went into it from the TCF memebers with a lot of input from various people and should be the national standard.... one of the first times I agree with Ernie ...Foot in mouth
 
The article adds a bit of backup info to my comments,



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649852




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  Reply # 338457 5-Jun-2010 09:31 Send private message

One more for you ... shows that cabling is becoming more and more important when more and more speed is demanded.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10649853




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  Reply # 338458 5-Jun-2010 09:38 Send private message

And of corse Sbiddle's blog post http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/7252

People don't believe when they come here complaining about "speeds" and we ask if they bothered trying to test their own internal wiring... They still think we are "defending the telcos".





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  Reply # 338459 5-Jun-2010 09:55 Send private message

I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.

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  Reply # 338460 5-Jun-2010 09:57 Send private message

There is also another story by Helen Twose as well showing a 30% decrease in speeds due to her poor internal wiring.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649853


It's great that the mainstream media are finally picking up the issue. It's just a shame that we still have unskilled DIY home owners and electricians still installing poor solutions into people's houses.

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  Reply # 338462 5-Jun-2010 10:02 Send private message

Question carried through from the FTTH thread:



A question with ducts - what kind of pipe do people actually recommend? I have a heap of the corrugated plastic stuff that you use for outdoor wiring - would this do? And how do you actually get the cable through the duct, do you put string in it when your installing so you just tie the cable to the string and pull it through?

Also, The ducting is pretty big, when I drill through my studs they are gonna be pretty massive holes concentrated around my patch panel, won't this weaken the wall. Or do I have say 3 ducts going from he patch panel to each area of the house and have subducts that go off that?







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  Reply # 338485 5-Jun-2010 11:08 Send private message

sbiddle: There is also another story by Helen Twose as well showing a 30% decrease in speeds due to her poor internal wiring.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649853


It's great that the mainstream media are finally picking up the issue. It's just a shame that we still have unskilled DIY home owners and electricians still installing poor solutions into people's houses.



I know Steve.. already posted it in this thread ... Wink




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  Reply # 338487 5-Jun-2010 11:39 Send private message

Wow, is Maverick actually trolling sbiddle?




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  Reply # 338495 5-Jun-2010 12:32 Send private message

freitasm: Wow, is Maverick actually trolling sbiddle?


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  Reply # 338530 5-Jun-2010 14:08 Send private message

So how do you test the state of your home wiring? Are there some protocols to follow (and if so can someone point me to them), or do you get someone in?

My house is the first of three up a shared drive, and just on the boundary between us and the middle house is one of those grey plastic U-shaped telecom things over a bunch of wires, which is where I assume the feed splits to the three houses. It looks terribly vulnerable, falls over a bit sometimes and generally looks dodgy. As for the wiring under the house...

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  Reply # 338536 5-Jun-2010 14:29 Send private message

The simplest test is to look at your ADSL modem stats.

If you are in a newly cabinetised area you should have an ADSL sync rate somewhere in the vicinity of 14000kbps - 18000kbps. If it's lower than this then statistically speaking your cabling or modem is probably slowing down your connection.

If you're in an area of NZ that hasn't yet been upgraded as part of the FTTN network then it depends entirely on your distance from the exchange.

What is pretty clear though is that if you have multiple jackpoints in your house and phones using plug in filters you will almost certainly get an increase in speeds by installing a master ADSL/VDSL splitter.

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  Reply # 338554 5-Jun-2010 16:12 Send private message

with plug in filters a friend was seeing constant issues with incoming and outgoing calls - sync dropping and coming back slower when on the phone etc. Filters were "fine" - proper splitter sorted it all out and gave an extra 4000kb/s - which is more than I get all together.




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  Reply # 338569 5-Jun-2010 17:06 Send private message

sbiddle: I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.


For what it's worth, insulation and double glazing are not mandatory. I don't think double glazing is even in the building code. It's a performance based system.

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  Reply # 338627 5-Jun-2010 20:48 Send private message

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sbiddle: I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.


For what it's worth, insulation and double glazing are not mandatory. I don't think double glazing is even in the building code. It's a performance based system.


Huh? Both are mandatory for all new dwellings in NZ.

Insulation has been required since the late 70's and the double glazing requirement came in in either late 2008 or early 2009 along with new minimum requirements for home insulation. While it doesn't specify double glazing as such it defines a minimum value of heat loss which can realistically only be achieved through the use of double glazed glass.



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  Reply # 338636 5-Jun-2010 21:34 Send private message

sbiddle: The simplest test is to look at your ADSL modem stats.

If you are in a newly cabinetised area you should have an ADSL sync rate somewhere in the vicinity of 14000kbps - 18000kbps. If it's lower than this then statistically speaking your cabling or modem is probably slowing down your connection.

If you're in an area of NZ that hasn't yet been upgraded as part of the FTTN network then it depends entirely on your distance from the exchange.

What is pretty clear though is that if you have multiple jackpoints in your house and phones using plug in filters you will almost certainly get an increase in speeds by installing a master ADSL/VDSL splitter.


I'm on the BIrkdale Exchange. Not due for an upgrade until 2011. They told me that in 2008 and they are keeping their promise.

We don't even get Caller ID on this exchange......Yet I had it on the farm in the middle of nowhere 7 years ago. Utterly bizarre Telecom sees no business case for upgrading a relatively densely populated urban area. (North Shore / Auckland)





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  Reply # 338648 5-Jun-2010 21:57 Send private message

Get LLU or a VOIP service like Slingshot or Xnet and you can get those features. TBH there are heaps of options available - you just have to look for providers who can give you them.





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