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  Reply # 338649 5-Jun-2010 22:04 Send private message

sbiddle:
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sbiddle: I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.


For what it's worth, insulation and double glazing are not mandatory. I don't think double glazing is even in the building code. It's a performance based system.


Huh? Both are mandatory for all new dwellings in NZ.



Still completely wrong.   http://warmmyhome.co.nz/building_regulations.asp 

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  Reply # 338657 5-Jun-2010 22:40 Send private message

stuzzo:
sbiddle:
stuzzo:
sbiddle: I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.


For what it's worth, insulation and double glazing are not mandatory. I don't think double glazing is even in the building code. It's a performance based system.


Huh? Both are mandatory for all new dwellings in NZ.



Still completely wrong.   http://warmmyhome.co.nz/building_regulations.asp 


In what way?

This site clearly points out the requirements of the code. To meet these R requirements you require insulation and in 99% of cases to meet the R requirements for heat loss through glass you will require double glazing.

The law doesn't say specificially that double glazing is required however it's virtually impossible to fit windows to a house that will meat the new heat loss requirements unless they are double glazed. Likewise you can't construct a house that will meet heat loss requirements for walls and roof voids unless it has insulation in these.



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  Reply # 338678 6-Jun-2010 01:57 Send private message

Now Now girls no bickering please...;) and back on topic, Does the replacement of house hold telephone wiring require an ph call to corus or the like or can I simply do it myself and then just get corus to hook it up at the demark point




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  Reply # 338681 6-Jun-2010 02:12 Send private message

You can hook it up yourself at the demarc with some scotchloc connectors. Just watch out if you have the old thick aerial lead coming in since they will not work in the small scotchlocks and you need some larger ones that have 2 ends to them. russels didnt have them when I tried so I just used connector blocks and when the guy came to put the 2nd line in he changed them to the proper connector. Then the lines got replaced with the powerpole in the drive so I have normal sized aerial cable to the house now.




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  Reply # 338703 6-Jun-2010 08:38 Send private message

sbiddle:
stuzzo:
sbiddle:
stuzzo:
sbiddle: I totally disagree with Ernie's though when he says "he would not like to see it made mandatory".

These wiring guidelines should be mandatory just like insulation and double glazing.


For what it's worth, insulation and double glazing are not mandatory. I don't think double glazing is even in the building code. It's a performance based system.


Huh? Both are mandatory for all new dwellings in NZ.



Still completely wrong.   http://warmmyhome.co.nz/building_regulations.asp 


In what way?

This site clearly points out the requirements of the code. To meet these R requirements you require insulation and in 99% of cases to meet the R requirements for heat loss through glass you will require double glazing.

The law doesn't say specificially that double glazing is required however it's virtually impossible to fit windows to a house that will meat the new heat loss requirements unless they are double glazed. Likewise you can't construct a house that will meet heat loss requirements for walls and roof voids unless it has insulation in these.




I think you need to read it again. You are a big poster on the site and there are not many threads without your, mostly valuable, contribution.

You could afford to pay a bit more attention to accuracy at times though.

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  Reply # 338711 6-Jun-2010 09:06 Send private message

Athlonite: Now Now girls no bickering please...;) and back on topic, Does the replacement of house hold telephone wiring require an ph call to corus or the like or can I simply do it myself and then just get corus to hook it up at the demark point



Good call! Having just completed some renovation at home, I don't care what's mandatory or 'suggested'. I care about RESULTS. and for that... double-glazing, in-wall/ceiling and floor insulation, and will carpet the floor... because you're nuts to have bare wood floors in Wellington at least, during winter!

Regarding the house... Chorus/Telecom manage the Telecom wiring from the street to the demarcation in your House. TelstraClear manages the HFC cable into your house and wherever you need it to reasonably go (I have 4 tappoints for HFC, for example, all wired by TCL). In Whangarei, Northpower manage the fibre drop from their network to somewhere reasonable in your premises (and they install an active powered Fibre to RJ45 Ethernet device). Network Tasman install fibre to your premises without their own powered device.

Your wiring is your responsibility - just like the electricity or water pipes. The TCF guidelines are good for new houses, and at least suggestions are made on how to star-wire a house on the basis that services will be provided by a powered device on site. There is also work going on to introduce a master socket with enough ports - and backup power - to keep things running.

I should have spent money putting better network in the house, not just star wired telephone grade... but a decent wireless router and a bunch of wireless cards (total cost $400) means I've avoided all that disruption. With new gadgets coming with built in wifi as standard, I'm not wholly convinced the house needs to be rewired...








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  Reply # 338962 7-Jun-2010 09:34 Send private message

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I should have spent money putting better network in the house, not just star wired telephone grade... but a decent wireless router and a bunch of wireless cards (total cost $400) means I've avoided all that disruption. With new gadgets coming with built in wifi as standard, I'm not wholly convinced the house needs to be rewired...



Wifi is slow and unreliable. With no ability to have 2 concurrent N networks on 2.4GHz in the same area, and 5GHz being practically useless to get one room over you need a wired infrastructure to deliver the wireless around the house.

Unless you are happy watching low resolution content and having stuff drop out everytime your flatmate decides to cook some nachos or reheat some takeaways.




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  Reply # 339027 7-Jun-2010 14:33 Send private message

freitasm: Wow, is Maverick actually trolling sbiddle?


I actually posted the incorrect NZ Herald Link

There is another article here on the same topic - 10 ways to get faster broadband

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10650104


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  Reply # 339092 7-Jun-2010 18:50 Send private message

richms:

Wifi is slow and unreliable. With no ability to have 2 concurrent N networks on 2.4GHz in the same area, and 5GHz being practically useless to get one room over you need a wired infrastructure to deliver the wireless around the house.

Unless you are happy watching low resolution content and having stuff drop out everytime your flatmate decides to cook some nachos or reheat some takeaways.


It's not as dire as you make out, N is pretty fast and standard gear can cover a regular house fine.

I'd also expect 1Gbit/s wireless within a few years, there is still plenty of innovation and improvements being made in wireless.

Same goes for ethernet over power.

Proper structured cabling for new homes - Absolutely

Retrofitting, depends on the situation.. the cost/benefit isn't going to stack up for everyone.

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  Reply # 339113 7-Jun-2010 19:27 Send private message

flatmate has N, and cannot stream questionably aquired blueray rips across the room despite a claimed link speed of 300 megs, wired 100 meg works fine.

If I have my 2 2.4GHz phone bases plugged in then it also causes him more thruput issues on it. This is on a house with a decent distance between it and the 10+ networks that are in the neighbouring houses. If this was a shoebox house like in dannymora etc with the neighbours houses within touching distance then I would expect even worse.




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  Reply # 339136 7-Jun-2010 19:59 Send private message

The biggest problem with wireless is that it's unlicenced spectrum. Have multiple networks all using the same frequences and you'll run up against bottlenecks.


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  Reply # 339158 7-Jun-2010 20:47 Send private message

I'm just investigating this subject in some detail as I'm about to try and go ahead and upgrade my exsisitng cabling. I'm wondering if in the future they'll be some sort of financial incentive form the government to help in upgrading this stuff as they have done with heating and insulation recently?

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  Reply # 339161 7-Jun-2010 21:00 Send private message

Hopenot, its bad enough that tax is used to do those upgrades on other peoples houses.

Probably will tho claiming that its some spend to help education or something.




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  Reply # 339174 7-Jun-2010 22:02 Send private message

Government financial incentives almost always create unintended perverse incentives, see Australia for an example for fraud and failure associated with their heating and insulation program.

I bet the same thing is already happening here, just won't come out for a few years.

Refer to
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/insulation-scams-hit-160000/story-e6frgczf-1225832389556

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  Reply # 339203 8-Jun-2010 01:48 Send private message

richms: flatmate has N, and cannot stream questionably aquired blueray rips across the room despite a claimed link speed of 300 megs, wired 100 meg works fine.

If I have my 2 2.4GHz phone bases plugged in then it also causes him more thruput issues on it. This is on a house with a decent distance between it and the 10+ networks that are in the neighbouring houses. If this was a shoebox house like in dannymora etc with the neighbours houses within touching distance then I would expect even worse.


What make/model is his wireless adapter and what make/model is the router?

Throughput can vary a heck of lot between different makes and models in my experience.

300Mbit/s is of course marketing hype given wireless is not full duplex and so on.  One thing to check, make sure he's using WPA2 with AES.  Most draft 802.11n products will knock your throughput down by up to 80% if you use WEP or WPA/TKIP security.

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