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  Reply # 373258 26-Aug-2010 18:02 Send private message

ZEON

We are talking about old house cable here ....you know OLD TELEPHONE CABLE not Cat5/6 !! but the cable installed prior to the 1990?s ( single pair)

Most home owners will not get 100Mbps from Old home telephone cable unless its Cat5/6 ( new Cable)

What I am saying here is 802.11n/g wireless (Wifi) is the most economical solution where the existing cable is not up to standard. When Wifi is used home owners can achieve between 25-35Mbps speed with is perfectly suitable to stream HDTV in fact some new TVs have this option built-in

So if you or anybody can top 55Mbps (802.11n/g wireless) using Old telephone cable and do it for less than $100..... then stand up and show us ( VDSL/SHDSL does not qualify)

Lets see it.





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  Reply # 373711 27-Aug-2010 19:04 Send private message

Telecom Service Delivery Point proposal is Flawed as it defies gravity ( reality )

http://www.chorus.co.nz/service-delivery-points

Telecommunications Users Association chief executive Ernie Newman said a lot of home wiring was in an "appalling state" and welcomed the service.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/telecoms-it-media/4048970/Chorus-offers-deal-to-rewire-fo...

Go Ernie !! lets support that idea its sounds really really good. NOT

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  Reply # 374081 29-Aug-2010 04:03 Send private message

ISP's already sell a "Full Install" for new ADSl connections, Chorus (downer, vsionstream, transfield etc) tech comes out to install a master splitter/filter.

I don't see how this is in much different, it's just a updated version of that service that presumably includes cabinet, SDP unit and battery? for $200 - that's not a bad price.

As with the existing "full install" hardly anyone will take up the offer, many people are super el cheapeo (to their own detriment) and will stick with $10 plugin in filters for every jack.

Geeks will DIY their own form of splitter/structured cabling. Savvy new builds will have structured cabling from the get go, non savvy new builds will fall into the el cheapo category most likely.

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  Reply # 374116 29-Aug-2010 09:58 Send private message

ALARMNZ: ZEON

We are talking about old house cable here ....you know OLD TELEPHONE CABLE not Cat5/6 !! but the cable installed prior to the 1990?s ( single pair)

Most home owners will not get 100Mbps from Old home telephone cable unless its Cat5/6 ( new Cable)

What I am saying here is 802.11n/g wireless (Wifi) is the most economical solution where the existing cable is not up to standard. When Wifi is used home owners can achieve between 25-35Mbps speed with is perfectly suitable to stream HDTV in fact some new TVs have this option built-in

So if you or anybody can top 55Mbps (802.11n/g wireless) using Old telephone cable and do it for less than $100..... then stand up and show us ( VDSL/SHDSL does not qualify)

Lets see it.




Sorry, I think you are spectacularly missing the point.

How does the DSL service get to the WiFi router/device in the first place? Via the house wiring.

What does the SDP "product" do? Replaces the house wiring between the ETP and a new combined splitter/jackpoint/hub which is the physical SDP box.

The requirement for a backup power supply probably has more to do with a combination of the Government imposed target of replacing the existing PSTN voice service by 2020 and Telecom's obligations to provide 111 calling that works when the power goes down (as far as I'm aware the battery backup relates to just powering the RGW which acts as the VOIP service point, right?).



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  Reply # 374151 29-Aug-2010 11:56 Send private message

Cymro:


Sorry, I think you are spectacularly missing the point.

How does the DSL service get to the WiFi router/device in the first place? Via the house wiring.

What does the SDP "product" do? Replaces the house wiring between the ETP and a new combined splitter/jackpoint/hub which is the physical SDP box.




Yes THAT’S RIGHT !! I am spectacularly missing the point of this SDP particulary the cost justification of the device and what beats me is why anyone with a simple understanding of home networking would go along with it.

Why should a home owner  spend $200 in a splitter when they can buy one from DSE for $29

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4c79978100983ac8273fc0a87e0106d5/Product/View/F2431

This SDP does not “do” anything If CHORUS wants to tidy up the Home broadband demarcation point then that’s  great but its years too late.



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  Reply # 374160 29-Aug-2010 12:21 Send private message

I suggest moving this discussion to the Forum below as it cover this whole issue slightly better.


http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=67153

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  Reply # 374178 29-Aug-2010 13:26 Send private message

ALARMNZ:
Cymro:


Sorry, I think you are spectacularly missing the point.

How does the DSL service get to the WiFi router/device in the first place? Via the house wiring.

What does the SDP "product" do? Replaces the house wiring between the ETP and a new combined splitter/jackpoint/hub which is the physical SDP box.




Yes THAT’S RIGHT !! I am spectacularly missing the point of this SDP particulary the cost justification of the device and what beats me is why anyone with a simple understanding of home networking would go along with it.

Why should a home owner  spend $200 in a splitter when they can buy one from DSE for $29

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4c79978100983ac8273fc0a87e0106d5/Product/View/F2431

This SDP does not “do” anything If CHORUS wants to tidy up the Home broadband demarcation point then that’s  great but its years too late.


Because 90%+ of home owners don't know an RJ45 from an RJ25 and just want their internets to go faster?
Also, comparing a $29 component to a $200 full install service is a bit ridiculous, it's like comparing buying an oil filter from Repco and changing it yourself Vs. taking your car into a garage for an oil change.

The service and device isn't targeted at the minority of home owners who understand about proper structured cabling and have the tools and capacity to do it themselves, it's intended for the vast majority who don't have that knowledge or tools who may be living in houses with very old wiring and are not able or confident of fixing it themselves.




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  Reply # 374381 30-Aug-2010 08:21 Send private message

Cymro

And what happens to the CHORUS SDP when the power fails .....??

Next you will say the CHORUS SDP has a battery......what happens when that fails ??

Please bring your thoughts to


http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=67153




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  Reply # 375427 1-Sep-2010 18:51 Send private message

I like my generator as a backup PS, an alarm panel or anything Chorus install isn't going to keep my tropical fish warm, Unless its a control 12 and i chuck it in the tank Laughing

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