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  Reply # 462615 26-Apr-2011 17:08 Send private message

jbard: I'm not sure what excuse people have right now, united video here in Dunedin has always had almost every dvd i have asked about and they are only $1 for 8 days - thats far cheaper than it would cost me in bandwidth to download it.

Plus their have been other movie services around in new Zealand for sometime now. 

 


Is it fair to assume you are only interested in mainstream movies?
Are the following available? (Just picking a few at random, I assume these are available illegally.)


You say that had almost every DVD you asked for. Do you remember which ones they did not have?
I can't see how to get United Video's catalogue online, so can't tell how many older movies they have available.

I'm suggesting that while you may be a typical example, there are many cases where your experience is not sufficient to be a comprehensive example.

Buying DVDs on Amazon is an alternative, but there is the risk that a DVD is not one which has been cleared by the censor. (I'm not sure if they are covered under grey market laws.)




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  Reply # 462642 26-Apr-2011 17:41 Send private message

freitasm: Google YouTube is planning to enter the Video on Demand market soon. Considering bits are bits (if you can download a torrent then you can certainly download a legal movie with the same number of bits) and considering it may be available here at some time, what excuse would one have to not pay for legal movies instead?


Since bits are bits there shouldn't be any regional restrictions, but you wanna bet there will be?
(Ie, something out in the US should be avaliable the same time here, but you can bet it won't be!)


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  Reply # 462647 26-Apr-2011 17:50 Send private message

In the hypotetical possibility they are available one week later, what's the difference?




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  Reply # 462658 26-Apr-2011 18:02 Send private message

-You can't hoard with VOD
-Streaming often doesn't work on our crappy international connections (thanks Slingshot)
-also I highly doubt there will be license agreements with content owners that allows them to stream to NZ (look @ Hulu)




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  Reply # 462666 26-Apr-2011 18:10 Send private message

freitasm: 
 
Again, nothing personal, but it is interesting how people come up with all these ideas AFTER the submissions were closed. A lot of people have been hammering this point for months but people did not mobilise at all. Now that this is passed...



Protests did stop the changes last time (Section 92A).  No one got a chance this time with National pushing this through via urgency with various law changes/bills to deal with the CHCH earthquake.

This is clearly part of the TPP agenda to try and get a free trade deal with the US.

I'm sure a truckload of lobbying is being done behind closed doors for TPP and ACTA.




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  Reply # 462675 26-Apr-2011 18:20 Send private message

jbard:

I'm not sure what excuse people have right now, united video here in Dunedin has always had almost every dvd i have asked about and they are only $1 for 8 days - thats far cheaper than it would cost me in bandwidth to download it.



If you look at the stats of what most people are downloading it's 350Mb to 1GB size TV episodes and 1GB to 2GBish size movies.  These are H.264 or Xvid/DivX compressed and usually in avi or mkv container format.

The industry simply isn't meeting the market demand for prompt availability of downloadable portable no region restricted/delayed content.

They've needed to offer something like Steam (pc gaming) or iTunes (audio) equivalent for movies and tv for a good ~5 years now.

Steam and iTunes prove people will pay for convenience and good service!  Longtail economics is real.

The longer the industry sticks to the old model of physical distribution, regional restrictions/delays and artificial scarcity the more people will use bit torrent or vpn's to overseas services.

The law changes will have hardly any real effect on the issue until the industry pulls it's head out of it's .. and gets with the times.

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  Reply # 462677 26-Apr-2011 18:22 Send private message

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  Reply # 463127 27-Apr-2011 19:20 Send private message

Ragnor:
If you look at the stats of what most people are downloading it's 350Mb to 1GB size TV episodes and 1GB to 2GBish size movies.  These are H.264 or Xvid/DivX compressed and usually in avi or mkv container format.

The industry simply isn't meeting the market demand for prompt availability of downloadable portable no region restricted/delayed content.

They've needed to offer something like Steam (pc gaming) or iTunes (audio) equivalent for movies and tv for a good ~5 years now.

Steam and iTunes prove people will pay for convenience and good service!  Longtail economics is real.

The longer the industry sticks to the old model of physical distribution, regional restrictions/delays and artificial scarcity the more people will use bit torrent or vpn's to overseas services.

The law changes will have hardly any real effect on the issue until the industry pulls it's head out of it's .. and gets with the times.


Exactly! Look at the iTunes movie service - the prices aren't too bad and they've got a good range of content but you can't play the movies on non-Apple devices/software, nobody wants to be stuck at their desk to watching a movie. Same concept applies for TVNZodemand/3ondemand/iSky.

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  Reply # 463129 27-Apr-2011 19:23 Send private message

Ignite:

Exactly! Look at the iTunes movie service - the prices aren't too bad and they've got a good range of content but you can't play the movies on non-Apple devices/software, nobody wants to be stuck at their desk to watching a movie. Same concept applies for TVNZodemand/3ondemand/iSky.


Not only that, some music publishers don't let us buy stuff in NZ via itunes even when they're selling it on itunes (US)!


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  Reply # 463140 27-Apr-2011 19:59 Send private message

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Ignite:

Exactly! Look at the iTunes movie service - the prices aren't too bad and they've got a good range of content but you can't play the movies on non-Apple devices/software, nobody wants to be stuck at their desk to watching a movie. Same concept applies for TVNZodemand/3ondemand/iSky.


Not only that, some music publishers don't let us buy stuff in NZ via itunes even when they're selling it on itunes (US)!



Precisely, how do content producers expect to cut down on piracy like that?  

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  Reply # 463302 28-Apr-2011 11:20 Send private message

Here is some interesting commentary on copyright and concepts related to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

http://aharden.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/the-future-of-commercial-recorded-music/

Both sources are in interesting reflection on the question of what we should be aiming for when we generate copyright legislation.

A quote from the blog is interesting to me,

"...the industry shows contempt for the CD and its users. Originally introduced at a higher price point than LPs and cassettes, presumably due to higher quality and to subsidize investment in new manufacturing capabilities, their average price has never decreased."

The fact that the people holding the copyright to massive portions of content thee days are utterly unconcerned with providing a quality product to their customers makes me indignant.

The fact that (as the video will describe) much of their copyright is invalid according to their own standards makes me angry.

Interesting site note,

"Even though the industry might have convinced consumers that it caved in when it allowed the sale of unprotected MP3, it didn?t. MP3s aren?t of equal audio quality to CDs, but they?re priced similarly."

You're actually being ripped off by iTunes. Enjoy.

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  Reply # 463462 28-Apr-2011 18:15 Send private message

1080p: Interesting site note,

"Even though the industry might have convinced consumers that it caved in when it allowed the sale of unprotected MP3, it didn?t. MP3s aren?t of equal audio quality to CDs, but they?re priced similarly."

You're actually being ripped off by iTunes. Enjoy.


Try selling a legally purchased MP3 album, .....  vs a shiny CD .... roughly the same price ... you can re-sell a purchased CD, but can't re-sell purchased MP3's ( or whatever digital format ,,,)





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  Reply # 463800 29-Apr-2011 18:25 Send private message

"Submissions open on copyright act regulations"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10722342 

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  Reply # 463864 29-Apr-2011 22:41 Send private message

1080p: Here is some interesting commentary on copyright and concepts related to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

http://aharden.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/the-future-of-commercial-recorded-music/

The fact that (as the video will describe) much of their copyright is invalid according to their own standards makes me angry.


This is some of the problems I have been banging on about with IP (copyright) law for years now.

IT stifles and strangles the very creative process. It is now possible to have an entirely new, innovative creation and STILL be blocked or even sued for using it! Because some predatory patent troll owns a few overly broad patents.

Imagine - and this is all to common - you invent a cure for Cancer. Instead of being hailed as a genius and praised by millions, your cure will never be known because some filthy, greedy company patented some minor component of it years before it was even invented.

Some have claimed that copyright and patents stimulate innovation. I beg to differ. THAT may have been the case 50 years ago, but it is not now. Now, it is a toll for entrenched interests to choke off and kill competition.

How is this related to this thread? Simple: what we have here is an obvious effort by these entrenched interests to unnaturally extend and reinforce a truly broken system.

Just think where the human race would be now if copyright had existed 10,000 years ago: no writing, no agriculture, civilisation, anything we like would exist: all of them exist purely because of the free sharing and copying of ideas.

Down with IP law. It is a parasite.
 

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  Reply # 463865 29-Apr-2011 22:49 Send private message

[Just think where the human race would be now if copyright had existed 10,000 years ago: no writing, no agriculture, civilisation, anything we like would exist: all of them exist purely because of the free sharing and copying of ideas.


So, the answer is to stop copyright law? That will then allow free access to the previous and future copyright protected media? I understand now.....

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