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  Reply # 478182 6-Jun-2011 11:12 Send private message

gnfb1234

I do see your point, but there seems to be some aversion to the Sony BMG's of this world intentionally falsely accusing people. There is no issue with what sites you go to, its the copyright files you download or upload. Basically meaning P2P file sharing.

If your IP is seen sharing copyright files, you are at risk. If you do not do this, there is no risk as your IP wont be seen as its not doing anything that is being watched. Certainly encrypt your wifi access point, and make sure users of your network aren't downloading/uploading copyright content, and you are fine.

Yes, there are issues with this Act, guilty first being one of them, but at the end of the day, if you are not gettig copyright content, there is no risk.

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  Reply # 478186 6-Jun-2011 11:24 Send private message

tdgeek: gnfb1234

I do see your point, but there seems to be some aversion to the Sony BMG's of this world intentionally falsely accusing people. There is no issue with what sites you go to, its the copyright files you download or upload. Basically meaning P2P file sharing.

If your IP is seen sharing copyright files, you are at risk. If you do not do this, there is no risk as your IP wont be seen as its not doing anything that is being watched. Certainly encrypt your wifi access point, and make sure users of your network aren't downloading/uploading copyright content, and you are fine.

Yes, there are issues with this Act, guilty first being one of them, but at the end of the day, if you are not gettig copyright content, there is no risk.


So lets just say that somone in the ANZ bank computer division  or Joe Blow at home wants to make absolutely sure that they can not be falsely prosecuted or all the hassle and expense of proving ones innocence wouldn't it be easier just to block/hide /cloak ones IP address?

You see heres the thing if you want to stop speeding in new Zealand or anywhere for that matter put limiters on cars and make it a instant dissmisal and or 20 years in jail

So if they really want to stop P2P etc block it at source just like they do In Iran and Syria etc




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  Reply # 478191 6-Jun-2011 11:38 Send private message

gnfb1234: [snip

You see heres the thing if you want to stop speeding in new Zealand or anywhere for that matter put limiters on cars and make it a instant dissmisal and or 20 years in jail

So if they really want to stop P2P etc block it at source just like they do In Iran and Syria etc


No, You're advocating somehow cloaking or hiding your license plate number in case someone with a miscalibrated radar gun thinks you are speeding and sends you a ticket.

And as for your assertion that 'they' what to block P2P... You're badly misinformed. P2P is a protocol. Using P2P isn't wrong, or a breach of the law.

Downloading copyrighted material without permission is however a breach of copyright. It just so happens that the first cab off the rank to really try and stop this on a person by person basis is monitoring public P2P networks because that's the easiest way for copyright holders to identify who is downloading their work.

Anyone prepared to go to the extent of hiding their IP (and there are ways to essentially do that) on the theory they are hiding from inaccurate accusation is either hiding something, or is so delusional they will have trouble functioning in society.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 478193 6-Jun-2011 11:52 Send private message

I see Rhys Darby will be used to advertise the perils of illegal file sharing in the leadup to 1 September. Thats a good thing as there needs to be public awareness. Unlike all on here, the public in general has little clue on this Act.

The advertising will benefit public awareness, but there should also be advertising on where to access legal content online. Itunes, and where ever else, average pricing, how easy it is, etc. Give the public the full story.

I see that Google is wanting to push online content, competing with Apple and Amazon. Get that out in the public eye too, so these innovations and changes in the media space will be well known. I am sure that a well produced campaign on accessing content legally, where and how, and the S92A penalties will all give a much needed push to moving this issue forward.

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  Reply # 478201 6-Jun-2011 12:27 Send private message

Talkiet:
gnfb1234: [snip

You see heres the thing if you want to stop speeding in new Zealand or anywhere for that matter put limiters on cars and make it a instant dissmisal and or 20 years in jail

So if they really want to stop P2P etc block it at source just like they do In Iran and Syria etc


No, You're advocating somehow cloaking or hiding your license plate number in case someone with a miscalibrated radar gun thinks you are speeding and sends you a ticket.

And as for your assertion that 'they' what to block P2P... You're badly misinformed. P2P is a protocol. Using P2P isn't wrong, or a breach of the law.

Downloading copyrighted material without permission is however a breach of copyright. It just so happens that the first cab off the rank to really try and stop this on a person by person basis is monitoring public P2P networks because that's the easiest way for copyright holders to identify who is downloading their work.

Anyone prepared to go to the extent of hiding their IP (and there are ways to essentially do that) on the theory they are hiding from inaccurate accusation is either hiding something, or is so delusional they will have trouble functioning in society.

Cheers - N



Thank you for that is exactly the point a person ignorant of P2P being a "protocol " or a banana is way over my head all i want is to access the internet knowing no matter what i do or dont do i can not get caught up in the net SO I acn either stop using the internet or i can hide cloak etc my ip address then I know I am safe

so while i am at it
If I download a publicly broadcast tv show will i be breaking the law after sept the 1st?




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  Reply # 478203 6-Jun-2011 12:28 Send private message

Agreed, public awareness is a very good thing.

We occasionally download content from iTunes (no P2P software here!) but the content selection available for NZ is very limited, so I can see why there is an attraction to piracy.

Both the movie and recording industries could wipe out a massive chunk of this claimed piracy if they'd only get off their lazy behinds and make content available. It's not as if it's a difficult thing to do and I firmly believe most people would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for content if there was a legal way of accessing it.

My POV from reading various commentary from both sides of the fence is:
a. piracy is a very real problem
b. claimed losses are vastly overstated

If you charted a problem, you'd see it has two end-points - origination and outcome, with lots of little variables inbetween. I'd venture to suggest being exposed as frauds is a big reason these companies are unwilling to take real steps to rectify this particular problem at it's orgin. It's like they've dug a big hole for themselves, and now the only way they can see out is to keep digging.




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  Reply # 478208 6-Jun-2011 12:32 Send private message

gnfb1234: If I download a publicly broadcast tv show will i be breaking the law after sept the 1st?


You need to define what you mean by download. Do you mean watch it via "On Demand" from TVNZ or Mediaworks, or do you mean torrenting it from somewhere else?

The latter will be seen as copyright infringement.




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  Reply # 478210 6-Jun-2011 12:38 Send private message

---i want is to access the internet knowing no matter what i do or dont do i can not get caught up in the net SO I acn either stop using the internet or i can hide cloak etc my ip address then I know I am safe---

Do you download illegal content? If you don't, just go on as you are.


so while i am at it
If I download a publicly broadcast tv show will i be breaking the law after sept the 1st?


Probably. A TV show may be free to watch but its not free, as the TV channel buys it. That purchase promotes advertising which generates revenue to pay for the show.

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  Reply # 478212 6-Jun-2011 12:41 Send private message

Dratsab

I agree in full, hopefully there will be a Itunes/Amazon/Google competition based improvement in access. To complete the picture, if ISP's can get a few cents per download, they can offer locally hosted unmetered access to payable content. Win for all concerned.

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  Reply # 478218 6-Jun-2011 13:07 Send private message

I came across this intresting article I dont know wether the guy is right wrong or what the comment are equally intresting
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/isp-says-new-copyright-law-effectively-useless-aw-90936




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  Reply # 478219 6-Jun-2011 13:11 Send private message

tdgeek: ---i want is to access the internet knowing no matter what i do or dont do i can not get caught up in the net SO I acn either stop using the internet or i can hide cloak etc my ip address then I know I am safe---

Do you download illegal content? If you don't, just go on as you are.


so while i am at it
If I download a publicly broadcast tv show will i be breaking the law after sept the 1st?


Probably. A TV show may be free to watch but its not free, as the TV channel buys it. That purchase promotes advertising which generates revenue to pay for the show.



you miss the point as a layman how do i know what is illigal and what isnt




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  Reply # 478220 6-Jun-2011 13:18 Send private message

> you miss the point as a layman how do i know what is illigal and what isnt

common sense.

Can you give any examples of services you may use which you don't know if they are legal or not legal?


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  Reply # 478222 6-Jun-2011 13:30 Send private message

---you miss the point as a layman how do i know what is illigal and what isnt

As a start, anything that you would normally buy, such as a movie, a song, a music CD, a game, a software application/program.

TV is copyright, shown to you for free, but paid for by the TV channel.

If any of the above are free, that will be clear from the source, such as free music from the creators website, demo/trialware from the creators/distributors website.

There are free to air contents these days from free to air sources such as iSky, TV On Demand.

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  Reply # 478607 7-Jun-2011 16:23 Send private message

maybe someone should make a complaint about the piracy law to a UN court because the UN just criticised the law:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10730748
  

  

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  Reply # 478624 7-Jun-2011 17:10 Send private message

Does that mean Helen Clarke has to fight John Key now?

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