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  Reply # 465783 5-May-2011 15:04 Send private message

sounds like Federated Farmers have massively massively misunderstood what termination rates actually are

"“Mobile termination rates are a key consideration for farmers.  Calls will fall by at least $0.14 cents per minute to $0.04 cents per minute from 1 April 2012, if this determination is passed onto users."

firstly, there is a large offsetting element of inbond calls vs outbound calls, 

Let's say with MTRs of 20c, a carrier recieves $10m MTR revenue and pays out, say, $20m. (net cost of $10m) So if MTRs were cut by 50% to 10c then whilst they would be saving 10c per outgoing minute they would also be losing 10c per incoming minute.  So the net saving per incoming minute would be in the ratio 20:10  or 5c per outgoing minute.

Secondly, MTRs ONLY effect off-net calling.  If the carrier prices offnet the same as on-net, and you want to reduce both prices, then the saving needs to be weighted accross the total minutes.
If minutes are 80% onnet,  then this means the 5c saving only really applies to 20% of the minutes. 


So under this scenario, if the carrier wanted to fully pass on the "10c" savings to it's customers it would only need to drop the price of anynet calling by 1c to be completely neutral.  If it went any further then this would just be a straight


Now those traffic imbalances I used there are not realistic, just simplistic to illustrate the point.
What it hopefully demonstrates is that simply saying “MTRs dropped by 10c therefore price of calling should drop by 10c”  would only be said by somebody who has no idea how MTRs actually are.





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  Reply # 465784 5-May-2011 15:08 Send private message

johnr:
SteveON: Good old Vodafone aye? Always one to winge... Let's see their network fail like it did in ozzy because of their under-investment...


Vodafone NZ have just deployed the latest Nokia RNC's around New Zealand and we are just about to complete a project deploying Fibre to approx 1000 more cells

So keep your trolling made up comments to yourself SteveON

John



Maybe SteveON can quote the figure we have spent on our Core 3G/2G network in the last 12 months??



I have to say i dislike VF, i've had bad experiences with them. However the above post made me laugh, good on ya Johnr

Anyway on topic,

Im just interested to see where this leads, does anyone have information on the Data termination rates? Are they being regulated too or is that considered a unique situation? (2d national roaming on VFNZ). 




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  Reply # 465801 5-May-2011 15:33

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johnr:
SteveON: Good old Vodafone aye? Always one to winge... Let's see their network fail like it did in ozzy because of their under-investment...


Vodafone NZ have just deployed the latest Nokia RNC's around New Zealand and we are just about to complete a project deploying Fibre to approx 1000 more cells

So keep your trolling made up comments to yourself SteveON

John



Maybe SteveON can quote the figure we have spent on our Core 3G/2G network in the last 12 months??



I have to say i dislike VF, i've had bad experiences with them. However the above post made me laugh, good on ya Johnr

Anyway on topic,

Im just interested to see where this leads, does anyone have information on the Data termination rates? Are they being regulated too or is that considered a unique situation? (2d national roaming on VFNZ). 


2d recently signed a contract with better rates on this a wile ago... There is an NBR story about this. 
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/vodafone-reaches-new-roaming-deal-with-2degrees-heading-comcom-134799 




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  Reply # 465802 5-May-2011 15:34 Send private message

Cheers for that, guess no new data plans anytime soon. All good




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  Reply # 465809 5-May-2011 15:48 Send private message

From TUANZ:


TUANZ calls for a national Day of Calling
“Vote with your wallet” says TUANZ CEO

TUANZ is calling on everyone with a phone, whether it’s mobile or landline, to call their provider and demand to know what their new rates will be, following the Commerce Commission decision to reduce mobile termination rates.

TUANZ Chief Executive Paul Brislen says telcos respond to one pressure above all else – money.

“Telcos are coin operated – if you want them to change their behaviour you have to affect their bottom line. All too often I’m contacted by disgruntled customers who can’t get a better deal from their telco and haven’t moved to a new provider. Vote with your wallet and take your dollar spend elsewhere.”

Termination rates have been regulated so that calls and TXTs to a mobile phone should be less expensive, but the Commission can’t require the telcos to pass the savings on to customers. We have to demand it, says Brislen.

“Ring the call centre, tell them you know the rates have come down and you want to know what your new price will be. Don’t take no for an answer – demand a better price. The Commerce Commission says there are 4.7 million cellphone users in New Zealand – we have the loudest voice in the country so let’s use it.”

The Commerce Commission has reduced the termination rate for a voice call from around 15 cents per minute to 7.48 cents per minute from today.

That means any company offering calls to a mobile phone now pays the mobile phone company nearly 8 cents a minute less than it did yesterday.

You should be entitled to a share in that, if not all of it.

TXT messages are even better – yesterday they cost around nine cents per minute, tomorrow they’re reduced to 0.06 cents per minute.
“That’s a huge reduction and TUANZ believes the customers should see the benefit of it. Demand your provider give you a better deal and if they can’t, move to one that can.”

“There are three mobile phone network providers in New Zealand today, and a further seven virtual network providers. In addition, there are dozens of ISPs that offer landline services, so ring around and see what kind of deal you can strike. Someone will offer you a better rate than the one you’re on today.”
  




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  Reply # 465811 5-May-2011 15:52 Send private message

Can you imagine the horror of the foreign call center staff if they get swarmed by customers who know they're being ripped off? As opposed to a few?

The image made me laugh at least 




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  Reply # 465814 5-May-2011 15:59 Send private message

freitasm: From TUANZ:


TUANZ calls for a national Day of Calling
“Vote with your wallet” says TUANZ CEO

TUANZ is calling on everyone with a phone, whether it’s mobile or landline, to call their provider and demand to know what their new rates will be, following the Commerce Commission decision to reduce mobile termination rates.

TUANZ Chief Executive Paul Brislen says telcos respond to one pressure above all else – money.

  


i would ring vodafone and complain, i just dont have the 3+ hours to sit on hold it would take for me to get through...

[Moderator edit (MF): long quote was long]
 

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  Reply # 465816 5-May-2011 15:59 Send private message

The next few days and weeks will be interesting !

I can't see the mobile Telcos closing ranks


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  Reply # 465823 5-May-2011 16:10 Send private message

 Im just interested to see where this leads, does anyone have information on the Data termination rates? Are they being regulated too or is that considered a unique situation? (2d national roaming on VFNZ). 


This is roaming, rather that Termination. There is no inter-network Data traffic, except over the Internet, and 2d have their own GGSNs and Internet connectivity (even when roaming).

The biggest impact from this MTR regulation is going to be on VoIP and inbound International prices, MTRs prices are largely irrelevant to peer mobile carriers if they can keep their traffic balanced in proportion to their userbase so that inbound ~= outbound. The recent 2d Txt Race promotion was a way to generate an imbalance in 2d's favour, as I would expect are on-net bundles.

Interesting times.



 



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  Reply # 465824 5-May-2011 16:12

xlinknz: The next few days and weeks will be interesting !

I can't see the mobile Telcos closing ranks



Considering we talk on our phones of an average of 80 minutes a month... Only 80 a freggan Month?!... 80 minutes... (Darn, I used to chat to my missus for 30-60 min a day.) ... Anyway we should see "better value" coming soon. Same prices : better monthly packs e.t.c.  




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  Reply # 465855 5-May-2011 17:32 Send private message

SteveON: Considering we talk on our phones of an average of 80 minutes a month... Only 80 a freggan Month?!... 80 minutes... (Darn, I used to chat to my missus for 30-60 min a day.) ....  


I use over 2000 myself...




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  Reply # 465857 5-May-2011 17:34 Send private message

cisconz:
SteveON: Considering we talk on our phones of an average of 80 minutes a month... Only 80 a freggan Month?!... 80 minutes... (Darn, I used to chat to my?missus?for 30-60 min a day.) .... ?


I use over 2000 myself...


Jesus!





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  Reply # 465860 5-May-2011 17:39 Send private message

johnr: Jesus!



Look at my March Invoice.




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  Reply # 465883 5-May-2011 18:26 Send private message

cisconz: I use over 2000 myself...

And then I'm going the other way, I'm lucky to use 20 minutes in a month, instead preferring to use Internet-based services (hence having a suitable data plan, but prepaid voice). Would my usage change if prices did? That would depend on whether the voice services became cheaper than using data.

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  Reply # 465889 5-May-2011 18:35 Send private message

I agree - very interesting! Interesting that the commerce commission has said this will be good for competition, but it will only be competition for the current network, because no-one will have the money to reinvest in a new one, and no-one will want to be the first to build a new one for fear they will be told that everyone else can use it for free.

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