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  Reply # 514554 31-Aug-2011 16:00 Send private message

Hmm reading through this thread, and others like it has got me thinking about ways to avoid detection (not that i would use it)

Not sure if it would be wise for me to post here since it is a public forum, but if you think about it there are a few ways to get around the tracking of IP addresses (and i am not meaning VPNs)

I can see this causing issues for businesses who have poor workstation management.  Program restriction group policies are going to be very handy in the future (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457006.aspx)

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Uber Geek
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  Reply # 514555 31-Aug-2011 16:03 Send private message

Yeah, but I am guessing the appeal process would get to court eventually

What we need is a test case.




Didn't anybody tell you I was a hacker?

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  Reply # 514586 31-Aug-2011 16:52 Send private message

jaymz: 
I can see this causing issues for businesses who have poor workstation management.  Program restriction group policies are going to be very handy in the future (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457006.aspx)

 Employees will just be subject to random drug testing and download screening...
'You're being dismissed for having the companies internet connection being flagged for cancellation, check your employment contract. And no using the computer on the way out the door!!!'

 

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Wannabe Geek


  Reply # 514625 31-Aug-2011 18:19 Send private message

Can someone out there please tell me exactly what is copyrighted and what is not?
I have read the Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Bill, but only that so far as I cannot seem to find "Part 6 of the Copyright Act 1994" which it amends.


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  Reply # 514641 31-Aug-2011 18:48 Send private message

via http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/08/29/rightwing-resistance-salutes-skynet-law/
Did you read about the racist/fascist group Right Wing Resistance that have thrown their support behind the copyright infringement act.

In an email sent out to their membership list the RWR people point out that,

?A new law passed by government which has been nicknamed the skynet law. Can work in our advantage. It?s been written to our advantage that anyone accused is guilty before being convicted.?

The email goes on to say,

?All you have to do is find any foreigner with internet and download a copyrighted item or torrent protocol.?

Their plan seems to be to download copyrighted content ? from a company called Resistance Records ?from someone else?s connection and then claim that their copyright has been infringed.

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It's a badly written law. NoRight turn has reported that Labor would toss this law in there 1st 90days.
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/08/labour-will-repeal-disconnection.html

But I feel John Keys is too popular with his smile and wave to not get a 2nd term, he's likely to win unless he does something like kill a puppy on live tv. Without old popular Johnny, National would loose the next election.


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Wannabe Geek


  Reply # 514652 31-Aug-2011 19:24 Send private message

I am still looking for an answer to my question.
Not all this gobblygook you have posted.
Also I am not in Australia so have no interest in their Labor party.
I am only wanting to know the New Zealand laws.

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  Reply # 514657 31-Aug-2011 19:38 Send private message

owainjmorris: I am still looking for an answer to my question.
Not all this gobblygook you have posted.
Also I am not in Australia so have no interest in their Labor party.
I am only wanting to know the New Zealand laws.


Chill dude.

It covers pretty much every type of content (i.e. TV shows, movies, music etc...).
Unless the content explicitly has a Creative Commons license attached to it, then you can probably consider it to be copyrighted material.

Also, I don't know why you were referring to Australia. NZ has a Labour party too.

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  Reply # 514658 31-Aug-2011 19:40 Send private message

owainjmorris: I am still looking for an answer to my question.
Not all this gobblygook you have posted.
Also I am not in Australia so have no interest in their Labor party.
I am only wanting to know the New Zealand laws.


The most honest, possibly only honest, response is: we don't know.

We won't know until a test case gets appealed all the way to the Supreme Court and there is a precedent in case law for New Zealand.  

Until then all you are going to get is best guess opinions based on the agenda of the person giving the opinion. Everybody in this debate has an opinion and everybody will tell you they are just trying to tell you that is how it is.

At root much of these laws, or how actually how these laws will work, is based on ideas like 'reasonable', 'fair' and 'natural justice'. These have no actual meaning until they get tested in court. 

Until then your guess is as good as anybody's

CrackedbyCracku




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Uber Geek
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  Reply # 514666 31-Aug-2011 19:54 Send private message

So a quick question is it only illegal if you use bit torrent programs to download stuff? If I download a movie off Rapidshare/Megaupload etc is that fine? lol

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  Reply # 514703 31-Aug-2011 20:58 Send private message

M_I_C_H_A_E_L: So a quick question is it only illegal if you use bit torrent programs to download stuff? If I download a movie off Rapidshare/Megaupload etc is that fine? lol


Its most probably illegal (unless its a creative commons licensed movie - not a hollywood one), but this particular law doesnt target those sorts of sites i.e. you wont get a strike from using rapidshare.

In the case of those sorts of sites, the 'hunt' tends to follow the person who uploaded it or rapidshare itself, but as you know, such sites do still exist

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  Reply # 514715 31-Aug-2011 21:14 Send private message

Ok, I admit to downloading music videos, ie, Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show, etc.
Are these copyrighted?
I do not use? torrents, as I have no idea about them.

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Uber Geek
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  Reply # 514733 31-Aug-2011 21:43 Send private message

nickb800:
M_I_C_H_A_E_L: So a quick question is it only illegal if you use bit torrent programs to download stuff? If I download a movie off Rapidshare/Megaupload etc is that fine? lol


Its most probably illegal (unless its a creative commons licensed movie - not a hollywood one), but this particular law doesnt target those sorts of sites i.e. you wont get a strike from using rapidshare.

In the case of those sorts of sites, the 'hunt' tends to follow the person who uploaded it or rapidshare itself, but as you know, such sites do still exist


Oh wow. Thanks :). I only use Torrents for 1 thing, but I can get that from Rapidshare.

Cheers mate.

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  Reply # 514744 31-Aug-2011 22:01 Send private message

Not sure how save filelockers will be, hotfile has trouble and has to release all it's users data (uploaders and downloaders) http://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-ordered-to-share-user-data-with-the-mpaa-110830/

This should not effect us too much as the time limits on infringement means no claim can be made.

owainjmorris you should read some of these sites to get to know your rights.
Generally if the works are older than 50years its out of copyright.
Otherwise they are and you are breaking the law.
Some works are release under a creative commons but they will clearly say they are.

http://3strikes.net.nz/
http://www.copyright.org.nz/basics.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_New_Zealand

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  Reply # 514750 31-Aug-2011 22:09 Send private message

A bit off topic but...Has anybody else been downloading Movies etc before it hits Midnight? Lol

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  Reply # 514756 31-Aug-2011 22:19 Send private message

M_I_C_H_A_E_L: A bit off topic but...Has anybody else been downloading Movies etc before it hits Midnight? Lol


Umm.... the evidence gathering period started 21 days ago. If you have been downloading stuff during that time it can be counted against you.

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