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  Reply # 515099 1-Sep-2011 14:46 Send private message

hellonearthisman: This law is a badly written law, 1st it's guilt on accusation and 2nd yes you can get a notice dated 21 days before the law came into effect.


The 21 days is irrelevant, the bad part of the law is 122N where it is up to you to prove you didn't do it.  I think the rights owners should have to produce more evidence, such as proof of the methods they followed to identify you as sharing copyrighted material.

The way the law is written at the moment the only way to prove your innocence would be, for example, if your internet was broken at that time.

It's also $25 + GST per notice, not $20.

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  Reply # 515124 1-Sep-2011 15:18 Send private message

hellonearthisman: crackrdbycracku after two notices you change ISP and your count gets reset to zero again and the people making the allegation gets nothing.


Yeah, as things stand you are right. I think you would agree with me that such is not in the spirit of the law but that doesn't make you less right. 

The more I read this thread the less idea I have of how this law is actually going to work.  




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  Reply # 515125 1-Sep-2011 15:24 Send private message

There was a live chat today at the nzherald website with TUANZ CEO Paul Brislen. The transcript is there to read for anyone interested.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10748747&ref=facebookheadlines

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  Reply # 515170 1-Sep-2011 16:45 Send private message





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  Reply # 515191 1-Sep-2011 17:03 Send private message

old3eyes: A summery of the chat is here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10748781


For crying out loud, he is hitting every point that has been made on these boards and we (like us) is right:

"The problem isn't one of copyright infringement, it's one of access to material. This act serves only to support a business model that no longer works in the internet age."

"poorly drafted and serves only to upset end users, alienate ISPs and will do very little to stop those offenders who are at the busy end of the spectrum".


"Services in the US like Netflix offer content online as the customer wants it for a low monthly fee (about $NZ20) and it's working extremely well." 

"criticised the Government referring to "file sharing" as illegal, which he said showed "they haven't understood how the internet works"

This is what you get when the MPs passing the law refer to it as the "Skynet" legislation. Yeah, because The  Terminator was all about illegally sharing files, or technology ... or something. 

The courts are the only hope we have.  




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  Reply # 515202 1-Sep-2011 17:22 Send private message

crackrdbycracku:
The more I read this thread the less idea I have of how this law is actually going to work.  

Maybe they don't want it to....



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  Reply # 515278 1-Sep-2011 19:15 Send private message

crackrdbycracku:
The courts are the only hope we have.


But that costs money.  And its not like you come out with an immunity card.  It will happen again and again and again until you run out of money...and internet!





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  Reply # 515681 2-Sep-2011 13:35 Send private message

DravidDavid:
crackrdbycracku:
The courts are the only hope we have.


But that costs money.  And its not like you come out with an immunity card.  It will happen again and again and again until you run out of money...and internet!


I guess the other option is to vote for a government that will repeal the law.

I think there should be 'copyright law'. People who produce stuff should be able to get fair compensation and should have an avenue of redress when things go wrong.

But the law actually has to be seen to be reasonable by most people and actually clearly say how things are going to work.

Things with this law started badly with those drafting the legislation and trying to convince us it is fair clearly not understanding the internet ... and went down hill from there.  

What the court offer us is the chance to establish precedent as to what you can and can't actually do. To define terms such as 'fair' and 'reasonable'.

Mind you the courts don't have such a great record when it comes to the net.  




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  Reply # 515959 2-Sep-2011 21:32 Send private message

Hi all

When a letter is recieved, is there a lead time when another letter won't be sent to allow the account holder to resolve the issue, i.e. stop the infringing?    

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  Reply # 515993 2-Sep-2011 23:26 Send private message

Thanks muchly, hellonearthisman, appreciated

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  Reply # 516861 5-Sep-2011 14:26 Send private message

An interesting take on infringement notices.
http://dts.net.nz/blog/action-on-copyright-infringement-muted/

I would copy and paste the post in a quote here, but it could be in breach of copyright. :P

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  Reply # 516919 5-Sep-2011 15:41 Send private message

That is very interesting, I wonder if other ISPs are experiencing the same response.




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Reply # 516921 5-Sep-2011 15:43 Send private message

I have a question.

After 3 notices you go to a tribunal. But does it have to be three notices from the same person complaining? Or just 3 notices in total?

Because I am under the impression the MPAA aren't the only people that can complain you are downloading since it was mentioned somewhere "multiple companies are already taking up on this new law".

EDIT:

Is it just my machine or does "3strikes.co.nz" re-direct to a torrent hosting website? That is quite funny. :D





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  Reply # 516923 5-Sep-2011 15:44 Send private message

DravidDavid: I have a question.

After 3 notices you go to a tribunal. But does it have to be three notices from the same person complaining? Or just 3 notices in total?

Because I am under the impression the MPAA aren't the only people that can complain you are downloading since it was mentioned somewhere "multiple companies are already taking up on this new law".


Three total, from anyone.




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