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  Reply # 518161 7-Sep-2011 16:06 Send private message

lokhor:

I'm fairly certain that the companies who are 'uploading' to catch people out are only sharing fake pieces of the file so are not violating copyright law themselves. Imo this should be considered baiting though.  


Possibly, but at least then the block hash will be bad and you can add them to the list of forbidden IPs. :-)




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  Reply # 518162 7-Sep-2011 16:06 Send private message

lokhor:
I'm fairly certain that the companies who are 'uploading' to catch people out are only sharing fake pieces of the file so are not violating copyright law themselves. Imo this should be considered baiting though.  


If they are fake file pieces, then no copyright has been broken.
Also, I'm pretty sure if a fake piece of a file is sent within a torrent swarm, that piece will be rejected because it won't pass the hash check.

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  Reply # 518197 7-Sep-2011 17:02 Send private message

Indeed!  You would need to have been caught stealing the real deal for anything to happen.

This may be a little off topic, but it appears this law is actually breaking the law in itself.  So how does a law that is effectively illegal pass through government?  It may already have been covered, but it is confusing me quite a bit.





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  Reply # 518219 7-Sep-2011 18:14 Send private message

They already leak there content to bust top sites.

http://torrentfreak.com/wikileaks-ice-ifpi-infiltrate-pirate-topsites-110905/

?[The ICE representative] also suggested encouraging a rightsholder to purposefully pre-release a song to law enforcement, in order to gain access to a topsite. Law enforcement could use the pre-released song to gain trust and consequent access from the topsite administrator. This idea was met with interest and may be pursued further,? the ambassador writes in the cable.

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  Reply # 518225 7-Sep-2011 18:31 Send private message

hellonearthisman: They already leak there content to bust top sites.

http://torrentfreak.com/wikileaks-ice-ifpi-infiltrate-pirate-topsites-110905/

?[The ICE representative] also suggested encouraging a rightsholder to purposefully pre-release a song to law enforcement, in order to gain access to a topsite. Law enforcement could use the pre-released song to gain trust and consequent access from the topsite administrator. This idea was met with interest and may be pursued further,? the ambassador writes in the cable.


Really, seriously when are the media companies going to learn that going to war with the customer is not a good idea.

I have heard the piracy rates are now dropping in the US because with NetFlix it is simply more convenient to access content legally and the price is judged to be reasonable by consumers. If that isn't win-win I don't know what is.  

Think of all the money, time and good will wasted in 'fighting piracy' rather than building a better way to service customers.

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  Reply # 518233 7-Sep-2011 18:50 Send private message

Initially the rights holders/agents for rights holders lost a lot of cases in the US and now are pretty refined/strict about how they determine infringement for torrents.

Typically they connect to infringing torrents that are already there. Obviously there is no shortage of these so they don't need to do the uploading.

Then they connect to ip addresses in the swarm and see if you upload to them recording ip addresses of those that do. Not sure what the threshold for data uploaded before they record your ip address is but presumably it's a reasonable % of the file to be safe.


I wish they would put it towards actually providing a legit digital service this stuff is such a waste of time.

However regional licensing is such a cluster f... hence the lack of hulu, netflix etc here. 

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hmm...that is a very new company as of 1 September 2011 and very expensive compared to other VPN's I've seen listed here.




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  Reply # 523268 19-Sep-2011 21:30 Send private message

dontpanic42:
lokhor:
I'm fairly certain that the companies who are 'uploading' to catch people out are only sharing fake pieces of the file so are not violating copyright law themselves. Imo this should be considered baiting though.  


If they are fake file pieces, then no copyright has been broken.
Also, I'm pretty sure if a fake piece of a file is sent within a torrent swarm, that piece will be rejected because it won't pass the hash check.


It's not the downloading that triggers the notice, it's the uploading.  They share fake bits with you, but as soon as you share the real bits back they can strike.

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