Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.

ajw



967 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 21


Topic # 98646 3-Mar-2012 10:14 Send private message


Mobile World Congress sees operators try to fight back with promise of cross-platform app as growing number of companies supplant SMS with free data messaging.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/01/sms-pinger-whatsapp-messaging-mwc

Create new topic
18532 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 727

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Subscriber

  Reply # 589734 3-Mar-2012 10:24 Send private message

Without reading yet another link I assume you're simply meaning RCSe/RCS - a total joke that's 5 years late and of zero value. In 6 months it'll be dead.


2648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 343

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 589739 3-Mar-2012 10:28 Send private message

sbiddle: Without reading yet another link I assume you're simply meaning RCSe/RCS - a total joke that's 5 years late and of zero value. In 6 months it'll be dead.



Nah, they mean the likes of Viber etc. But yes, you're right - the mainstream media presenting as news something you & I have been aware of for several years now.




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

2629 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 95

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 589747 3-Mar-2012 10:43 Send private message

Personally I think that Facebook messaging and, to a lesser extent, iMessage will take over. I have all but given up on SMS because of poor inter-carrier reliability. Also let's not forget that calling is a lot less expensive than it used to be which reduces the appeal of SMS. 

2311 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 65


  Reply # 589749 3-Mar-2012 10:46 Send private message

alasta: Personally I think that Facebook messaging and, to a lesser extent, iMessage will take over.


iMessage wont, since that's iphone only!


BDFL
47924 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3540

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 589762 3-Mar-2012 11:05 Send private message

alasta: Personally I think that Facebook messaging and, to a lesser extent, iMessage will take over. I have all but given up on SMS because of poor inter-carrier reliability. Also let's not forget that calling is a lot less expensive than it used to be which reduces the appeal of SMS. 


Voice calling is a lot more reliable than SMS too, for time sensitive messages. 

I said on #geekzone IRC that my view of future was less email and more Facebook Messaging, and someone was so full of rage with this comment I had to end up kicking him out of the channel because of the name calling - seriously, name calling because he disagreed with my view that Facebook Messaging could replace email for some users.

Yes, I believe Facebook Mail will replace email and to a certain point SMS. This is mainly because of the much smaller level of spam in that medium, since you can control who can and cannot contact you.




ajw



967 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 21


  Reply # 589765 3-Mar-2012 11:13 Send private message

sbiddle: Without reading yet another link I assume you're simply meaning RCSe/RCS - a total joke that's 5 years late and of zero value. In 6 months it'll be dead.



I am not a technician, I see a article that I think Geekzoners will be interested in and provoke discussion.
That's what Geekzone is all about isn't it.

15540 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 828

Trusted
Vodafone NZ
Subscriber

  Reply # 589778 3-Mar-2012 11:27 Send private message

SMS use is still climbing only 13 - 14 months ago we had to upgrade the SMS routers hardware / software,

John




2648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 343

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 589788 3-Mar-2012 11:50 Send private message

My personal view -- and this is not necessarily the view (or not the view) of 2degrees is that mobile carriers should not, and really don't need to, fight the OTT players.

People don't want a 2degrees phone. They don't want a Vodafone phone, and they don't want an XT phone. They want an iPhone, or an Android. They don't want a hypothetical '2degreesmail'. They want GMail, they want Hotmail.

Data apps are the way of the future, and, in fact, they're better for carriers anyway. Once your network has enhanced fast dormancy and a couple of other signaling-reduction enhancements, data apps cost you less, and use less network resources, than SMS.

I don't see circuit-switched voice calling going away any time soon; there will always be people you want to call who don't have it, and the internet is never going to be the kind of medium you can rely on for a high-quality voice connection. But I do believe it will be eaten into by VoIP.

I think Facebook messaging will overtake other forms of communication for some people. Not me; I'm not 14, and I don't feel the need to tell everyone on Earth what I had for lunch.

John's right that SMS usage is still increasing. And it will for some time. But the RATE of increase is slowing, and there will come a point in the not too distant future when it begins to decrease. But before that can happen, the myriad SMS alternatives need to agree on a common infrastructure that allows them to interconnect. And then, basically, you've got SMS all over again, just run (partly) by a different set of people.

The 'open source solutions will be the end of the ebil telcos!' people will be disappointed to learn that even the power of open source software cannot overcome the physical expense of laying cables and launching satellites, and neither will mesh networks ever offer the bandwidth and latency that centralised systems can provide. In other words, the telcos, love 'em or hate 'em, aren't going away.

I believe they will need to accept that their long term role is 'dumb pipe'. But they aren't going to disappear.

It's also important to note that telcos aren't fully staffed by idiots. Most of us are geeks too. We are *not* blind to what's happening in the wider tech industry. It's true that often telcos are guilty of sticking their fingers in their ears and trying to protect their dying business model. But that will change. It will have to.

Personally I think you'll find that the 'internet' guys will be able to learn a lot from the 'telco' guys, who have more than a century of experience in providing quality of service. And the 'telco' guys will learn - are learning - from the 'internet' guys by providing new things, more quickly.

The public will learn that in order to get new things more quickly, they will need to accept that sometimes those things won't always work 100% reliably. That's the price you pay to get them quickly. You can kill 80% of the bugs in 20% of the time, but the other 20% take another 80% of the time. This is universally true.

It used to be that telcos chased those 20% down before launching anything. We don't do that any more. And I think, on balance, everyone is better off for it.




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

BDFL
47924 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3540

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 589789 3-Mar-2012 11:54 Send private message

SaltyNZ: I think Facebook messaging will overtake other forms of communication for some people. Not me; I'm not 14, and I don't feel the need to tell everyone on Earth what I had for lunch.


I wasn't talking about Facebook posts in your wall, but using your Facebook email address (everyone has one now) and your Facebook private messaging instead of other email alternatives (even Hotmail, GMail, etc).
 




2648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 343

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 589792 3-Mar-2012 11:59 Send private message

freitasm:
SaltyNZ: I think Facebook messaging will overtake other forms of communication for some people. Not me; I'm not 14, and I don't feel the need to tell everyone on Earth what I had for lunch.


I wasn't talking about Facebook posts in your wall, but using your Facebook email address (everyone has one now) and your Facebook private messaging instead of other email alternatives (even Hotmail, GMail, etc).
 


Oh yes, I know; I think that the Facebook email is only going to take over for some people. I'm too old for a [email protected], and I cannot imagine anyone using one for work. But those pesky kids will love it! 




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

BDFL
47924 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3540

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 589793 3-Mar-2012 12:00 Send private message

Those pesky kids will take over yourself in about fifteen to twenty years...




2648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 343

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 589794 3-Mar-2012 12:03 Send private message

Never! The first thing I plan to do with the enormous piles of filthy lucre I intend to rake in is develop immortality treatments, and then hoard them for myself and my small cadre of dedicated sycophants.

You'll see.




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

1623 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 53


  Reply # 590300 4-Mar-2012 21:45 Send private message

What's Facebook? Foot in Mouth




Nokia N9
Nokia E7
HP Touchpad
Dell Inspiron 14z i5

382 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 11


  Reply # 590310 4-Mar-2012 22:28 Send private message

I think this is the way it's going, I use wp7 and the message integration is amazing, Facebook message, text message or msn, you can't tell the difference its seamless

2724 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 179

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 590315 4-Mar-2012 22:44 Send private message

in the future, national sms will be FREE and unlimited (for those on plan)





Create new topic








Twitter »
Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new jobs are posted to our jobs board:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:




News »

Trending now »
Hot discussions in our forums right now:

Forms of government for New Zealand
Created by charsleysa, last reply by Kyanar on 18-Apr-2014 20:55 (98 replies)
Pages... 5 6 7


MH370 - Call for Search & Rescue Help
Created by DS248, last reply by Sideface on 17-Apr-2014 17:28 (735 replies)
Pages... 47 48 49


galaxy s4 now on 4.4.2
Created by nzrock, last reply by Cameron1991 on 19-Apr-2014 01:35 (51 replies)
Pages... 2 3 4


why does the tax payer have to pay for the prince and princess' 6 star holiday?
Created by joker97, last reply by Geektastic on 17-Apr-2014 15:49 (67 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


Snap suffering Trans-Tasman congestion 18/04?
Created by Lias, last reply by NonprayingMantis on 19-Apr-2014 00:05 (26 replies)
Pages... 2


Help ! Home business connection and VDSL dead. yikes.
Created by Scotsman, last reply by Scotsman on 17-Apr-2014 21:10 (26 replies)
Pages... 2


Free connection to Ultra Fibre not true
Created by kapitikarl, last reply by cbrpilot on 15-Apr-2014 13:24 (27 replies)
Pages... 2


TVNZ on Demand Jailbreak Detection
Created by TranceManNZ, last reply by hio77 on 18-Apr-2014 20:25 (12 replies)


Geekzone Live »
Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.