Unconstrained DSL Launch Cancelled due to Injunction

By tonyhughes Hughes, in , posted: 11-Oct-2006 21:02

## Update: Juha Saarinen - author of The Techsploder has researched this further, and concluded that in fact no injunction has been filed. (See Juhas comments near the bottom of this page)

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A source tells me that iHug / Vodafone and Callplus have filed an injunction against Telecom New Zealand to prevent the planned launch of unconstrained broadband in New Zealand later this month.

This will mean the planned upgrade from 3.5Mbps plans to unconstrained "full rate" speeds of up to 7.6Mbps may not go ahead as originally hoped.

More as it happens!


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Comment by freitasm, on 11-Oct-2006 21:13

Why? Because they can't compete? Because they are not innovative enough? Because they are cry babies?

 


Comment by nzbnw, on 11-Oct-2006 21:17

The thing about this is nothing has changed in terms of pricing, only the speed! ISP's should just get over it, after all they all complained to Telecom that they wanted faster speeds, now they have it, they still complain. It seems Telecom can do nothing to please them!!


Comment by chiefie, on 11-Oct-2006 21:26

hehe Telecom never satisfy me.. :-( but now that i'm not tied to them... i could really not give a toss. *did i sound real mean?*


Comment by taniwha, on 11-Oct-2006 21:30

cable is yummy :-)


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 11-Oct-2006 21:50

Chiefie - this will affect all ADSL users in NZ regardless of ISP, as all the ADSL for the other ISPs goes through Telecom...


Comment by freitasm, on 11-Oct-2006 22:14

chiefie is on TCL now, he doesn't care about ADSL...

 


Comment by bradstewart, on 11-Oct-2006 23:50

suddenly i dont care so much about chiefie... hmm i might burn my vodem in protest against VF


Comment by Thrash Cardiom, on 12-Oct-2006 07:55

This is what happens when companies attempt to negotiate deals with Telecom so they get service ahead of other ISPs; then Telecom is made to open their service to all ISPs but those who cut deals are now restricted to the deal they cut.


Comment by chiefie, on 12-Oct-2006 08:32

ditto to Mauricio. Sorry I didnt mean to sound like a prick, but... seriously though, Telecom has been running NZers' life with a vice. I personally think that for it to be a fair game to offer unlimited/uncontrained speed to all NZers, all ISPs should sit down and properly discuss how/who will agree and where the agreements lie. BUT like any war out there, talk is cheap, let's fight and deal with it later. No one wants to sit down and properly discuss a solution anymore. Brad, you're welcomed to burn it, it doesn't affect me as I never have Vodem to start off with and it's not likely that I will gain any immediate satisfaction from that vodem of yours... so i got nothing to lose or to gain. :-) (but you do though, think of that quick $200 you can make)


Comment by skyplonk, on 12-Oct-2006 08:46

chiefie said:
"seriously though, Telecom has been running NZers' life with a vice"

What a load of crap.  I have been with telecom for years, mobile, land line, and dsl. Never had a issue. Never had a need to change.  Telecos have not been running my life, and really I doubt Telecom have been running many people’s lives.   Tall poppy syndrome jumps out here.  No matter what Telecom did it would never make people with an attitude like yours happy. Never had a problem with their service.  I think for most people in NZ telecom offer a great service.  I f you are unhappy, as you appeared to be, do what you did and change.   Companies in NZ like IHUG and callplus are moaning p**ks.  If they want full rate DSL for their customers, get off their butt and invest in their own DSL network. Or maybe even try other last mile technologies such as WiMAX.

We in NZ need to get real. We are all so worried about the price and speed on of our internet that we are starting to forget the “real” issues, like NZ having some of the highest rates of teen suicide and teen pregnancy in the OECD.. Oh wait, could be because our DSL is not fast enough, and Telecom are a monopoly.


Comment by chiefie, on 12-Oct-2006 08:56

Change I have, which is why I'm no longer being a peasant to Telecom and I'm glad we ditched Telecom's last mile of service and never touch it anymore... So your suggestion are largely unbenefiting to me. My view to your statement is the same as your view to mine... "what a load of crap" you are happy with what Telecom is feeding you, however I was not.


Comment by juha, on 12-Oct-2006 09:46

Maybe hold off flaming the ISPs until official word on this is out... and, take a look at how litigious Telecom's been in the past as well?


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 12-Oct-2006 09:58

This is bad news for all new zealanders - dsl affects us all somewhere - whether we are having a video call with a dsl user, or if we rely on a business that relies on dsl.

I would really like to know if the companies concerned have reasons that are fair and valid for kiwis, or whether they are simply concerned with their own bottom lines.

Its been made public 12 hours ago, yet I still see no mention of it anywhere else in the media...


Comment by psychrn, on 12-Oct-2006 09:58

I think the problem was that there was going to be pricing differential obviously telecom being able to charge their customers a cheaper rate-hence the problem re competetiveness


Comment by juha, on 12-Oct-2006 10:04

I've checked with all involved parties now and...

There is no injunction.


Comment by juha, on 12-Oct-2006 10:46

Where was this made public, by the way? I can't find any mention of it.


Comment by duke, on 12-Oct-2006 11:55

"The thing about this is nothing has changed in terms of pricing, only the speed! ISP's should just get over it" Rubbish, prices have changed: http://www.telecom.co.nz/binarys/new_media%20advisory%20final.pdf Do some research before you spout such uninformed nonsense. "What a load of crap. I have been with telecom for years, mobile, land line, and dsl. Never had a issue." Nice one, you don't mind being ripped off then? "Companies in NZ like IHUG and callplus are moaning p**ks. If they want full rate DSL for their customers, get off their butt and invest in their own DSL network." I'm sure. Telecom only has a network beacuse all the investment costs were paid by the NZ tax payer when Telecom was publicly owned. Telstra had a go at rolling out a nationwide network and only managed a bit of Christchurch. The costs are huge, and simply not economic. You Telecom fanboys really need to get some perspective and realise how you've been royally exploited for so long. Let's remember uunbndling, faster adsl etc is ONLY happening because of pressure from ihug, Telstra, Compass etc


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 12-Oct-2006 12:06

"Let's remember uunbndling, faster adsl etc is ONLY happening because of pressure from ihug, Telstra, Compass etc"

As per my story, the source i have says faster adsl is being delayed due to ihug etc...


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 12-Oct-2006 12:08

Comment by juha, on 12-OCT-2006 10:46

Where was this made public, by the way? I can't find any mention of it.

I was made aware of this last night by someone working near the project. That person said it was public (but as yet, unpublished) knowledge.

Dammit.... no scoop....


Comment by nzbnw, on 12-Oct-2006 12:22

@ duke

Rubbish, prices have changed:

http://www.telecom.co.nz/binarys/new_media%20advisory%20final.pdf

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I suggest you are the one needing to do some research. Plans such as the Xtra Broadband Basic are designed to be sold at $39.95, but Telecom and other ISP's offer a $10 discount if you have your tolls with them. While at $29.95 wholesalers maybe loosing money, they are not on other plans as the price set by the ComCom (NOT Telecom) is an average for all plans. ISPs can also purchase these plans at a retail minus option. ISP's never complained before about Xtra's $29.95 pricing, it's only now with new 'Full Speed' they seem to try and further discredit Telecom.

ref: http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3359&page=index

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Telecom only has a network beacuse all the investment costs were paid by the NZ tax payer when Telecom was publicly owned


Yes and the New Zealand Tax Payer was paid for these investments by private companies. So get over it!
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Nice one, you don't mind being ripped off then?

Telecom are a business and they are trying to maximise their profit, as businesses do. Telecom are not ripping anyone off.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let's remember uunbndling, faster adsl etc is ONLY happening because of pressure from ihug, Telstra, Compass etc

Yes, they are all 'leaches' who refuse to invest in their own network. And you really believe that Telstra has the best interest of New Zealanders at heart??  Sorry bud, but I will support Telecom on principle on this one. I would also support Vector in their struggle for the same reasons.


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