BZP ban in effect now, but at what cost?

By tonyhughes Hughes, in , posted: 22-Aug-2007 18:17

In New Zealand, BZP will soon be a class C drug with penalties of up to 8 months jail for supplying it, and 3 months jail or a $500NZD fine for possessing it.

An amnesty until June of next year allows possession of a small amount, presumably to give people a window of opportunity to destroy, dispose of, or use their legally-acquired supply.

party pills

Now, I am not about to go into the health issues around BZP, but I would just like to say that I am not aware of any Party Pill crazed people bashing citizens to death.

Nor of vehicle accidents attributable to Party Pills, or school kids doing poorly at their studies due to them.

Party Pill users don't seem to die, commit crime, assault people, crash cars or other such actions as a result of the pills, as opposed to users of many other illegal drugs.

Party Pill users don't seem to die, commit crime, assault people, crash cars or other such actions as a result of the pills, as opposed to users of alcohol.

Frankly I would rather have left BZP legal for now, instead of having seasoned pill-takers now decide that if BZP pills are illegal, and Ecstasy and P are also illegal, that whats the difference which one they take?

Sounds like trouble to me.... big big trouble.

I have never taken a Party Pill, probably never will now. Wish I had the choice, and I wish that a drug that causes an infinitesimally small amount of harm in comparison to alcohol had been left as a much safer alternative to alcohol for those that wish to avoid the damaging effects drinking can have on themselves, and on those around them.

Very shortsighted if you ask me. Why dont we have a yearly referendum to put the vote for such issues to the public? One referendum a year, with many topics being covered. What a smart use of taxpayer money that would be. Spend a small (compared to the wastage Parliament is guilty of) amount of money on actually listening to the NZ public on issues that matter.

As a pioneering country, why not build a secure web-based referendum system? Market it to other developed nations as well? Oh wait, probably because too many of our politicians are too drunk to take such intelligent steps.

Perhaps if they took party pills instead...


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Comment by sbiddle, on 22-Aug-2007 19:27

Jimbo is an idiot. Sure what happened to his daugther wasn't something any father wants to go through but the reality of many of his ideas to combat drug and alcohol abuse defy logic.

Put up the price of cheap spirits to stop people drinking? People will just pay more.

Ban Party Pills? People will just go underground to get the same kick.

I've never used a party pill myself but have plenty of friends who do before they go out. These people have fun and don't drink after they're taken them. Is that better than somebody going out, having to get plastered to have fun and then drive home drunk or go home and bash their family members?

Alcohol is the biggest problem in society not party pills.


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 22-Aug-2007 19:52

Agreed, just look at statistics around alcohol related deaths, injury's, family violence, crime and the like.

Now pull up every case in New Zealand of party pills causing problems...

Compare the two, and form an opinion.


Comment by muppet, on 22-Aug-2007 19:57

I'm a keen, keen drinker.



I have to agree though, I still do not understand why Alcohol isn't banned. Not that I'd want it to be, but if you apply the same logic to Alcohol as they apply to the other drugs, it should have been banned a long, long time ago.



I guess there is such big business behind Alcohol they can apply so much more pressure to the Governments to keep it legal.



Mmmmmm, Beer.


Comment by sbiddle, on 22-Aug-2007 20:04

Alcohol & cigarettes fall into the same cetagory. They're both bad for you but the government gets so much tax from both that they can't afford for you to cut back!


Comment by m, on 22-Aug-2007 20:13

BZP pills are pretty nasty...take to many and its a hell of a come down..but thats about it in my opinon. party pills are'nt a problem...alcohol is..its amazing how they can miss that,



another thing is there are other alternatives to bzp which are legal anyway..TFMPP is still legal is'nt it?



i agree with what you said about alcohol...i'm a fan of a few drinks here and there...but yeah as was said..the stats say it all...

its the most destructive of all "drugs" and on a wide scale too...and cause's a hell of alot of problems...



its pretty stupid really...its creating more problems than anything by banning them.


Comment by barf, on 22-Aug-2007 21:37

alcohol is (physiologically) a poison, not a drug. I believe the only reason it remains legal is that it's effects are are the most documented of any recreational substance.

furthermore the prohibition of drugs creates an illegal market that would not otherwise exist in it's current fashion, this is where the crime and deleterious social traits associated with drug culture are born; from prohibition legislation.

if well-understood and (when properly used) harmless drugs such as marijuana or ecstacy were legalised, gangs and criminal/black markets would have much less motivation to exist.

drug use is different to drug abuse. our laws have alot of catching up to do with the groundswell of acceptability modern citizens have towards responsible use of recreational drugs.


Comment by barf, on 22-Aug-2007 22:10

I feel I should make my position slightly clearer. Generic Methamphetamines are an abused drug, there is no way to make "P" or "Ice" look good and I'm not trying to.

But BZP and others are a different can of worms. MDMA aka Ecstacy was clinically created as a psychological medicine and marijuana is completely harmless excluding the smoking aspect of it.

IMHO It's impossible to stop or even slow down the "war on drugs" so the govt need to attack it from other angles, such as regulation, taxation and education.

The bottom line is people need to make their own decisions about things like this and presently all we are told is "drugs are bad, mmkay"


Comment by Stefan, on 23-Aug-2007 01:01

For all those people wondering why alcohol isn't illegal but party pills now are - it was illegal is some places - Invercargill introduced prohibition on alcohol in 1905. America had prohibition during the 1920s (it made alcohol illegal around the same time it made weed illegal, believe it or not).



THe reason alcohol hasn't been banned is because it CAN'T be banned.


Comment by Russell Brown, on 23-Aug-2007 08:18

Jimbo is an idiot. Sure what happened to his daugther wasn't something any father wants to go through but the reality of many of his ideas to combat drug and alcohol abuse defy logic. This one keeps on being repeated, but it's not true. His daughter didn't have a drug problem - she was mentally ill, couldn't bear the medication, and took her own life. It is very sad, but perhaps it's best not to smear her as a drug addict, eh? Also, the ban doesn't start today, the legislation is just introduced to Parliament.


Comment by Aloha, on 2-Sep-2007 21:47

Hey Tony,
congrats your blog made it to the Herald On Sunday: blog of the week on page 39.


Author's note by tonyhughes, on 3-Sep-2007 18:22

Great - thanks for the heads-up!


Comment by MikeE, on 4-Sep-2007 14:38

Jim Anderton is letting his personal beliefs regarding substances get in the way of policy, and he will destroy lives in the process. New Zealand's policy is supposed to be evidence based with the stated aim of harm reduction, though this is far from the case in reality. Banning BZP (and other substances) results in more harm as you can't ban demand for something, only supply, so people are forced to deal with criminals to procure. They then purchase goods with no quality control, which may be more dangerous than before. Worse still, those who want to get high, might move onto more harmful drugs if the legal reprocussions are the same. Mark my words, we will see an increase in the use of Meth next year (we are already seeing it in clubland) and Mr Anderton will be to blame.


Comment by ivan, on 31-Dec-2007 14:41

jim anderton is a dump cunt their have been no death reported from the cause of bzp why not ban tobacco it kills almost 5000 people in new zealand a year 400 second hand smokers if the govenment bans it they will lose 1.2 billon a year on tax people come first mr anderton not politics hone harwera is more smarter than anderton he plan to introduce a bill to ban tobacoo if you do you are the man


Comment by BZPSUPPLY.COM, on 14-Feb-2008 11:06

Its not illegal here in Canada. As a matter of fact if anyone's looking for a good place to place orders, wholesale and regular. BZPSUPPLY.COM just opened. Pure Uncut BZP Powder for sale. I think they only ship to canada but I'm sure if you contact them directly they will ship to anywhere that its legal.


Comment by Andy, on 18-Mar-2008 16:12

The ban of BZP is a total cop-out on behalf of our government. Not a single person has been killed or harmed using BZP anywhere in the world, that is a fact. The only reason BZP is banned now is because a) Jim Anderton's daughter over-dosed on illegal drugs and b) because the USA banned BZP due to ill-education and a massive blunder (they reported that BZP was ten times MORE potent than MDMA when it is in fact ten times LESS potent. After realising they made a mistake, BZP still remained banned). I've been taking BZP most Saturday nights now for the past 5 years and I've had nothing but good times. BZP is NOT addictive, I use it by choice because I enjoy the effects. When I decide to not go clubbing (sometimes for a month on end) I have no withdrawels etc. Luckily I've stocked up on BZP and it should last another 2 - 3 years. Fuck you, Labour and National. Two ticks for The Greens.


Comment by Gerry., on 13-May-2008 19:43

Well, too late now its law. Seems odd to me that government intervention occurs on anything that brings pleasure to the masses unless there is an attached taxation component. A previous comment on here says selling attracts an 8 month prison sentence. Lets get that right... according to a Target TV program (TV3, 6 May 2008) the maximum penalty for sale or manufacture is 8 YEARS! Is that the same penalty for cannabis? but arnt they the same class of drug (class C). So why the disparity of sentence? Lets face it... just how "Expert" is the Goverments 'Expert Advisory Council on drugs"?


Comment by L.Taborski, on 28-May-2008 18:38

Watching the news tonight, where some ex cop has a personal crusade against P use and is suggesting to parliament that random drug testing be performed in schools, special "drug" courts and generally to take a very hard line - 0 tolerance approach, similar to the U.S strategy. I'm just absolutely amazed at this. They say P use is on the increase, I wonder if they tie that to the BZP ban in any way, like they no doubt should. As has been mentioned on other insightful posts on this blog, so long as demand is there, it will be met, one way or the other. If you want to solve the drug problem, in my opinion, you'd have to go about changing a large aspect of NZ culture if not foreign cultures and start raising children to appreciate different values in life. But first we would have to agree on what we value in life and with things like religion out there, I think we're very confused to say the least. Until that time, give people what they want or let them do whatever so long as it only affects them personally.


Comment by Justin Shortt, on 25-Dec-2008 11:07

I believe that BZP as a "safer" alternative..... should be researched more by addiction and abuse specialist on a government law reform approach.


Comment by Eamon, on 15-Aug-2009 00:01

I have taken BZP, or a party pill. It turned me off recreational drugs for good. It's like instant hangover. Imagine the worst hangover you've ever had, but this lasts for THREE days! At least with a hangover you can sleep it off. Not with BZP - this stuff keeps you awake so you suffer every minute and every minute seems to last an hour. I spent three days wanting to throw up, but not being able to and also wanting to piss, but also not being able to. After about 4 hours in, you do start seeing some freaky hallucinations, but certainly not worth other effects. So, in summary, they need not have bothered banning this, because I can't imagine anyone would be crazy enough to take it twice!


Comment by Eamon, on 15-Aug-2009 00:28

I have taken BZP, or a party pill. It turned me off recreational drugs for good. It's like instant hangover. Imagine the worst hangover you've ever had, but this lasts for THREE days! At least with a hangover you can sleep it off. Not with BZP - this stuff keeps you awake so you suffer every minute and every minute seems to last an hour. I spent three days wanting to throw up, but not being able to and also wanting to piss, but also not being able to. After about 4 hours in, you do start seeing some freaky hallucinations, but certainly not worth other effects. So, in summary, they need not have bothered banning this, because I can't imagine anyone would be crazy enough to take it twice!


Comment by Jason, on 18-Feb-2010 22:36

At Earnon, wow dude either you took like several times the reccomended dose, or you should wrap yourself in bubblewrap everyday before you leave you house, because if a little pill can have such negative effects on you (unlike everyone else) then rain may well cause you to melt. BZP was widely used in the gym circuts, which not many people consider, due to it appetite depressant, fat burning effects. Also the BZP products would give you focus and drive to train for your chosen sport for hours. The negative effects I personally noticed were that mixing with alcohol (which was stated on bzp products NOT to do) would give you a killer hangover. True, beacause bzp can dehydrate you, and so does alcohol. Think about it. There are enough problems in this country, BZP or not. Now Speed is on the rise, because teenagers cant get party pills anymore. Sometimes i swear these politicans live in a box. Legalize BZP. Imprison Drunk Drivers.


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