Radar Detectors about to be outlawed in New Zealand

By tonyhughes Hughes, in , posted: 22-Dec-2007 11:01

With all the fanfare around the stiffer demerit penalties for various offences, it seems to have escaped everyones attention that radar detectors are about to be banned in New Zealand.

The NZ Herald writes:

Radar detectors will become illegal, attracting fines and demerit points on an escalating scale in a three-year, phase-out plan. Those using detectors will initially face $50 fines and 25 demerit points, rising to $150 fines and 75 demerit points in the third year.

Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven said he was prepared to withstand a potential backlash by those using detectors to lessen their chances of being caught.

Now, I don't own a radar detector, and although I speed sometimes, it's generally 105 in a 100k zone sort of thing. Despite owning a compensating-for-something-else V8, and enjoying getting to the speed limit in a relatively short space of time, I don't like to go over, as without my licence, I would lose my job, and the ability to cart my kids around etc.

I do wonder though, how well this has been thought out. There are plenty of stealth kits around, that can be mounted very discreetly, or even completely hidden, with detector units behind grills and bumpers, and the actual user interface being hidden away from view in the car and using audible signals, or a single discreet LED for notification.

This technology has been around for a while now, as in many states in the USA, detectors have been illegal for many years.

So I suggest if you have a few dollars invested in a detector, sell it on Trademe right now on $1 reserve... while people are still paying good money for them.

I am not sure how I feel about the upcoming ban. It doesn't directly affect me, but I am wary of bans on common consumer grade technology... they are going to ban these things, but there will still be upwards of 100's of thousands of them in the country, and I don't see any buy-back program in place.

I think I would rather see statistics on how many serious crashes have been caused by cars with radar detectors installed, and go from there. Of course I am not saying detectors reduce crash risk, or increase safety at all, but lets get real here, and look at actual problems - not percieved ones.

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Comment by STi, on 22-Dec-2007 16:46

Actually independent research indicates that drivers who use radar detectors are safer drivers because they are more alert and therefore have fewer accidents per kilometer traveled. Refer to this article by Australian Driver Rights Association for more info.

 

I think the only reason for banning radar detectors is to increase the revenue gathering. The people who use radar tends to have more powerful cars and travel more than non users.


Comment by cranz, on 22-Dec-2007 17:16

Why would you need a radar detector unless you were speeding


Comment by n00dy, on 22-Dec-2007 20:01

not all radar detectors are just for speed. in europe when police attend an accident they transit a signal that is detected by R. detectors and displays the message " accident ahead" this warns oncoming motorists of the accident but you might think they would see it but due to extreme fog sometimes the accident is not seen till too late thus avoiding being involved in the same accident. some detectors in NZ have this feature but it is not used by NZ police


Comment by Grant, on 22-Dec-2007 21:40

I use a radar detector, and find that the best thing is to help you stay alert to your speed, and avoid the fine when you have been driving within the law, but make one small error, which is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, we all know when you follow someone who drives slow around corners, but then 100k on the straights. You either have to pass on the corner or never pass and follow them for the rest of the day. With a radar detector, you can go past in safety on the straight and then drop back to 100k afterwards, with a reduced chance of getting caught for taking the safe way out.


Comment by cokemaster, on 23-Dec-2007 23:35

Personally, I have no issues with the banning of radar detectors in their current form, where they are marketed as a means of evading law enforcement while breaking the law (speeding). There are questions over whether the speed limit is acceptable or not however breaking the law is not the answer to that.

The concern I have is that this is yet another thing that is being cracked down on by the government and that naturally unless there is an easy way to detect the detectors, where there is a will - there is a way. A bit like the anti gun control argument 'If you ban guns, only the bad people will have them'... the same probably would apply here.

The other potential is as an early warning system as previously discussed for accidents, which clearly has potential. However is probably not used here so negates that benefit.

In my eyes, the speed limit is there for a reason and should not only apply just because there aren't any policemen in sight. I know that some radar detector owners certainly don't use them too agressively (ie. for overtaking) but at the end of the day its speeding and a sizable number of them use them as means to speed as much as they can... slow down if there is a policemen in sight.


Comment by cokemaster, on 23-Dec-2007 23:36

Oops

"
In my eyes, the speed limit is there for a reason and should not only apply just because there aren't any policemen in sight"

should read:


In my eyes, the speed limit is there for a reason and should not only apply just because there is a policemen in sight


Comment by John Williams, on 24-Dec-2007 20:14

Another pathetic piece of legislation that the police will have to enforce. I personally cannot see this being passed. Most of the better type of detectors have stealth technology. That means not easily detectable, but of course millions could be spent on getting equipment installed in every patrol car and get a few fines for the investment. If the equipment in the patrol cars wasn't installed and police caught you with the detector in the car{seems unlikely that in the event a car was stopped with one on windscreen that the owner didn't turn it off!} then they have to prove that it was turned on. No this is a no brainer. If the want more money from fines put up more fixed camera sites. These cannot be detected but can be on a G.P.S. unit! Hey there a thought why not ban G.P.S units too!!


Comment by billybob, on 27-Dec-2007 13:13

We dont live in a perfect world, so when cops wait at the bottom of large hills to clock speeders is it really fair? or how about when they set up speed traps at the end of passing lanes, out on the open road?

recently i travelled from Auckland to Taupo, followed a car doing 85kms in a 100kms stretch of road, waited for 12ks befor a passing lane came up. and guess what.. as soon as we got on to the passing lane the driver speed up.. i had to do 110 just to get passed, and there at the end was a cop waiting, lucky for me my radar had picked him up and i was able to ajust me speed back to 100k in time. Was i speeding yes, was i driving in an unsafe manner no. Radars are not the problem, but they do give us a fighting chance over not being penalised unfairly..

banning them is another "anti smacking" bill we dont need.

there are lots of ways to reduce the sale of them, tax them, limit the companies that can sell them, limit the amount of units for sale.

make them unavailable to insure, or age restrict them.

a total ban is very unnessassary.


Comment by caleb, on 28-Dec-2007 10:37

Has this legislation passed yet or is this something that is still been thought about? Does anyone know what date they will officially become illegal?


Comment by Steve, on 31-Dec-2007 21:16

This is not good at all. Just another rule to live your life by. I myself use a detector and DO NOT speed. I love the tech involved and love to be able to detect. It's my hobbie in fact! (strange as it my seem:) ) I'm really gutted with the AA and have zero love for the labour party these days. I drive for a living (never use detector while working thou.) and fear that the laws going to be the end of my ten years driving tour coaches.(Zero tickets) Harry Duynhoven have you really thought this through? are you sure that this is a vote winner? and how many people killed while using a detector? Dam it cell phone's are legal to use while driving a Bus!what's your game Mr Harry Duynhoven.? To the AA your a Joke period


Comment by David McD, on 3-Jan-2008 22:34

Has it escaped most peoples realisation that police radar is a form of survellance...so why the hell shouldn't we know we are being watched, this should be a breach of the privacy act!!!


Comment by Gazza, on 4-Jan-2008 02:01

The few times I have actually been pulled over for a traffic offence the police have have told me quite clearly that "You are wasting your time with those detectors. they dont work"



Well if that is the case then why ban them?????



Do your homework Harry, ask the people who think they know it all anyway!!!


Comment by mike turnbull, on 4-Jan-2008 12:42

Bloody stupid idea banning detectors! They want to lower the road toll but this will not achieve it. People with high demerits will be more likely to run from the police now as they will have nothing to lose, resulting in more fatal crashes!

I will still run one hidden on my bike.



Tauris.


Comment by Alastair, on 5-Jan-2008 10:08

Well I think that banning radar detectors is just another way of showing who's boss. I use a radar in my Subaru which is also a GPS unit (which I use all the time). Does this mean I can't use it as a GPS as well? This is stupid, having it installed keeps me even more aware and alert of whats going on around me, as research shows, so why ban them. Some people might say tough get over it, but I say WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE whats next, you can't scratch your bum in public.



Do us all a favour and just think about it Harry!


Comment by Peter McIver, on 7-Jan-2008 00:55

When is the date that they will be illegal to use???



I personally use a radar detector, its an amazing device. While using it I am definitely more aware of whats going on, almost a by-product of using it.



How will they enforce the offence to use one?? The cops will notice something on the dashboard, pull them over and BAM its a gps unit. This is dumb


Comment by phill, on 9-Jan-2008 17:38

I have heard very little about this piece of legislation...is it legislation? also how likely is it going to become law? and last but not least...i will repeat what others have asked at this forum to which nobody appears to have the answer...when will it become law...someone told me april but who knows?


Comment by Adam, on 10-Jan-2008 06:41

This is complete B/S, I use a Valintine 1 Rader, have done for two years and its brilliant, I travel all over the country for motorsport in a diesel van it doesnt go that fast but I agree with the others comments, sometimes you need to do 110-120km to pass safely, specially when some idiot has been doin 80km on SH1. And yes the cops are increasenly sneaky setting up at the end of passing lanes etc. Radars help combat this. I will keep running my I'll just rig up some sort of hiding spot.


Comment by scorpio75, on 12-Jan-2008 20:32

this is totally rubbish, and i agree i use a radar detector and travel thousands of miles a year, and i will still be using my radar when it is outlawed, and i will just be taking off from the cops as will have nothing to loose, so they will have more chases on there hands and will come to more accidents than before, so come on government think about it, and stop trying to control peoples lives when you cant even control your own, its getting like play school


Comment by Ivan, on 21-Jan-2008 14:47

As mentioned previously a detector not only keeps a driver aware of speed and the presence of radar traps - it is also a safety net for those that don't want to wear out brake pads or change down and rev hell out of their engines on long downhills like the Bombays. Every time my detector goes off I look at my speedo and adjust accordingly - it's all to easy for ones speed to creep up and anyone who says it doesn't and they never exceed the speed limit is telling porkies!


Comment by Lou Girardin, on 24-Jan-2008 10:21

There is a lot of rat cunning being put towards the issue of hiding detectors when they are banned. Short of dismantling parts of cars, the Police will never find them. As a contributor to the Herald said, this is more of the Labour Govt getting at the 'rich pricks' that can afford detectors. Roll on November!


Comment by Chris, on 25-Jan-2008 06:18

I agree with Ivan and Lou above, most of these speed traps are setup for nothing other than revenueing, speed traps at the end of passing lanes and the most infuriating of all where the speed limit changes up. There used to be a time where the officers would genuinely ask if there was a reason for your speed, now this question is barely asked and officer discretion appears to have completely disappeared which more than likely has something to do with the introduction of fine quotas for the highway patrol units. No wonder the Police with these types of actions are losing public respect. I’m sure most of the “Real” front line Police Officers wished they’d kept the old Ministry of Transport to have some separation.

I also disagree with the argument that as they have been banned in other countries that they should also be banned here. When you look at the countries that they have been banned in this generally only affects a few "Red Neck" states in Aus and the US where they are quite happy to lock you up for the night for a slight speed indiscretion. Is this where we want to go?

This government appears to spend little time actually adding up the facts before implementing these types of harebrained schemes and looks like it primary reason in a lot of cases to go ahead with these debacles is simply because someone else has done it.

Where has our individuality and ingenuity gone? We used to be the nation of No8 wire inventiveness (giving Women the Vote, Nuclear free etc) but are now heading towards being a nation minions governed by minions. All this and now they want to screen our kids in early childhood for anti-social behaviour trends. It’s all too Orwellian for my liking.


Comment by Dill, on 2-Feb-2008 14:32

I havent found any law saying the use of radar detectors is illegal yet. I think its still safe to use them.


Comment by richard, on 5-Feb-2008 09:39

QUOTE: Comment by John Williams, on 24-DEC-2007 19:14 {seems unlikely that in the event a car was stopped with one on windscreen that the owner didn't turn it off!} - Are you saying if its turned off they cannot fine you?


Comment by s dalziel, on 15-Feb-2008 00:57

I personally own a detector and use it every day. I have a right to know when I am being watched. My last speeding fine was July 2007 and it is the fine that made my mind up about getting a detector because after contesting that the officer had not shown me the reading in his vehicle I received a letter from the police stating. "There is no legal requirement for you to be shown a readout or for a readout to be locked" In other words the officer can fine you on suspicion alone. Because I had no detector at this time, I had no leg to stand on because I had no argument to rely on about the officer having had his radar on or not. And for people who don't have a detector and think that every one who has one is a racer are mistaken, people who own them are simply drivers who want to avoid revenue collecting cameras from taking there hard earned money away. From personal experience if you are more than 10km/h over the speed limit the chances of you slowing down in time for a van camera or radar gun in time to avoid a fine are slim. The device is simply a method of avoiding cases where you are going just fast enough to set a camera off. They are in no way a road hazard or an annoyance to other drivers. If they want to stop some thing they should stop cell phone use or some other danger or annoyance to the public instead of crying over lost revenue because drivers are able to avoid fines. If Labour introduces that law they will loose my vote along with many other road users.


Comment by s dalziel, on 15-Feb-2008 01:12

For those interested this is the information posted on the NZ Police website about the use of the speed trap equipment, it is accesable by the public and the public should know there rights. more information can be found at http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2005/speed-enforcement-guide/ Speed enforcement guide Group: Road Policing Support Owner: National Road Policing Manager, Police National Headquarters Commencement Date: 30-05-2006 Expiry Date: 24-03-2007 SPEED ENFORCEMENT GUIDE 1 Purpose Excessive and/or inappropriate speeds are a major cause of road trauma and are a decisive factor in the severity of all crashes. International research and experience demonstrate that significant reductions in road trauma can be achieved through effective speed management. Appropriate speed management is also a key factor in the efficient operation of the road network. Police are the main provider of speed management services. The enforcement of speed limits is a key role of police officers throughout New Zealand. It is important that this role is undertaken by appropriately trained officers using certified equipment according to a consistent approach to speed enforcement. 2 Operating Speed Measuring Devices The following guidelines have been developed to assist frontline officers when conducting this enforcement activity: speed measuring devices (including, but not limited to, speedometers and laser and radar devices) are, if operated in or from a vehicle, only to be operated from vehicles owned or operated by NZ Police; only members of NZ Police are permitted to operate speed-measuring devices for speed enforcement purposes; police members must be certified in the use of the general type of speed measuring equipment being used at the time; all speed measuring devices deployed for enforcement purposes must be used in accordance with the Code of Operations (if any) appropriate to the device; speed measuring devices may be used in all speed limit areas; When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are exceptional circumstances, such as protecting people operating at road works or to ensure the safety of children near schools; vehicles used to operate speed-measuring devices from a stationary position must be parked in accordance the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004. Police officers may have a defence against parking related offences under these regulations where the offence was necessary in the performance of duty, but members must be prudent when parking their vehicle and ensure they do so in a safe fashion. For that reason, when selecting a location for stationary operation members must take care that their presence does not increase safety risks (such as lane merges) present at that location; all speed measuring devices are to be operated in an overt manner. No form of hidden or camouflaged deployment is to be used, although nothing in these guidelines impugns the use of unmarked Police patrol cars for speed enforcement; and staff may use a motor cycle as a power source for a laser speed detector, but are not to pursue speeding motorists themselves when undertaking this activity due to the risk of damage to the laser device. However, this does not apply when speed detection equipment is being operated on a motorcycle as part of a specific trial approved in writing by the National Road Policing Manager. 3 Certification and Training Standards Only speed measuring devices that are approved by the National Road Policing Manager or Minister of Police are to be used. Speed measuring devices are to be calibrated by Police Calibration Services at least once in every 12 months. Units that have not been issued with a certificate within the previous 12 months are not to be used for enforcement purposes. 4 Traffic Cameras All mobile and static traffic cameras will be operated in accordance with issued operating standards (if any). 5 Use of Discretion Police must apply a consistent approach to the enforcement of speeding offences in order to achieve reductions in road trauma and to ensure that our actions are fair and transparent. A consistent approach enables Police to recognise reasonable variations in speedometer accuracy across the public national vehicle fleet, while providing motorists with certainty of outcome should they drive at inappropriate or excessive speeds. Other than in exceptional circumstances, the following principles apply: drivers detected at a speed of 11km/h or more above the appropriate speed limit should be issued with the appropriate notice; drivers of heavy motor vehicles detected at a speed of 6km/h or more above the appropriate speed limit should be issued with the appropriate notice; drivers of vehicles towing light trailers detected at a speed of 6 km/h or more above the applicable speed limit may be issued with an appropriate notice; and drivers of vehicles other than heavy motor vehicles who exceed the speed limit by less than 11km/h will not normally be issued with an infringement notice providing their speed does not present a risk to public safety in the prevailing circumstances. These principles do not constitute a mandate for drivers to exceed the speed limit. In some circumstances exceeding the speed limit by less than 11km/h will pose road safety risks. 6 Responsibilities 6.1 District Commanders District Commanders are to ensure the guide is implemented in their District. In particular: only certified officers use speed measuring equipment; certified equipment is used and maintained in the district; training and certification records must be held in the district; and breaches of policy must be reported to the National Road Policing Manager. It is recommended that these tasks be delegated to the Road Policing Manager in each district. 6.2 National Road Policing Manager The National Road Policing Manager is to: ensure that appropriate authority is gained before new speed devices are deployed and certified; ensure that Police Calibration Services complete annual checks of certified equipment; provide other support to districts where appropriate; and audit adherence to this Guide. Howard Broad Commissioner New Zealand Police


Comment by ADRIAAN.VELTMEYER., on 19-Feb-2008 14:44

IN MY OPPINION THE GOVRNMENT ARE CONTROL FREAKS AND IMPOSE LEGISLATION TO MINIMIZE WHAT LITTLE CONTROL WE HAVE OVER OUR OWN LIVES HENCE A POLICE STATE. THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE BUT RATHER THAN EDUCATE DRIVERS (WHICH COSTS MONEY) BY WAY OF HAVING PROPER DRIVING ABILITY TESTING,THE EASY WAY FOR GOVERNMENT TO SHOW IT IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IS TO ADD YET ANOTHER STUPIFYING LAW. WE DON'T SEE TRAFFIC POLICE AT TRAFFIC LIIGHTS HANDING OUT OFFENCE NOTICES FOR RED LIGHT RUNNERS,WHY!!! IT DOES NOT RAISE ENOUGH REVENUE. THEY DON'T STOP SLOW DRIVERS WHO CREATE STREAMS OF ANGRY DRIVERS,WE ARE TOLD TO HAVE PATIENCE. EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY IS BEING DRAGGED DOWN TO THE LOWEST DENOMINATER SO IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THIS SITUATION JUST VOTE FOR LABOUR AND WE WILL SOON BE CLOSER TO A COMMUNIST STATE RUN BY HELINSKY.


Comment by ADRIAAN., on 19-Feb-2008 14:50

IN MY OPPINION THE GOVRNMENT ARE CONTROL FREAKS AND IMPOSE LEGISLATION TO MINIMIZE WHAT LITTLE CONTROL WE HAVE OVER OUR OWN LIVES HENCE A POLICE STATE. THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE BUT RATHER THAN EDUCATE DRIVERS (WHICH COSTS MONEY) BY WAY OF HAVING PROPER DRIVING ABILITY TESTING,THE EASY WAY FOR GOVERNMENT TO SHOW IT IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IS TO ADD YET ANOTHER STUPIFYING LAW. WE DON'T SEE TRAFFIC POLICE AT TRAFFIC LIIGHTS HANDING OUT OFFENCE NOTICES FOR RED LIGHT RUNNERS,WHY!!! IT DOES NOT RAISE ENOUGH REVENUE. THEY DON'T STOP SLOW DRIVERS WHO CREATE STREAMS OF ANGRY DRIVERS,WE ARE TOLD TO HAVE PATIENCE. EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY IS BEING DRAGGED DOWN TO THE LOWEST DENOMINATER SO IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THIS SITUATION JUST VOTE FOR LABOUR AND WE WILL SOON BE CLOSER TO A COMMUNIST STATE RUN BY HELINSKY.


Comment by Greg Hormann, on 23-Feb-2008 17:36

Welcome to the Police and Nanny State! First it's no smacking, then they try and tell us what to eat, and so it goes on. Have the Police caught all the rapists, murderers, wife beaters, child molesters, drunk drivers, burglars etc etc? How is it that they have so much time to devote to something that hasn't even been proven by research or statistics? Where is the proof that radar detector use even has a causal relationship to accident rates? By the way, I don't use a detector any more, but I still defend peoples right to use them.


Comment by Chris, on 3-Apr-2008 22:47

This is the same Govt who want to legalise cannibis remember. They stated the ban would be in place by April 1 2008, it is after that date and has not taken effect- ask yourself. There are many factors involved before a change to a bill can be put into place- which is what they have proposed, and the use of scaring people has been well implemented. If they ban radars, they must also ban all GPS equipment as they are speed measuring and black spot warning devices. There is more to this than the hype that has been presented to the public. Safe driving.


Comment by Tom Ryan, on 16-Apr-2008 11:50

This is ill informed/knee jerk reaction which in my mind is to help the traffic police increase fines. Indeed overseas research shows radar detector drivers to be safer drivers than those who don't use them. There is no need to ban their use as my experience suggests that if the Police use the instant-on facilty on their radars, or their lasers which have narrow beams, you would be caught before you could adjust your speed. My detector has warned me once coming arounf a corner where the Police were attending an accident, and left their radars transmitting. This allowed me to reduce speed before coming around the corner, where I was confronted with an accident scene. Potentially in this case avoiding a further accident. The Police to their credit often leave their radars transmitting when they have pulled over a car, and as they are often still partly on the road, this acts as a warning to radar detector users. To prove I have no axe to grind here is my driving history. I have been driving for 35 years and used radar detectors on and off for the last 20 years. Despite higher than average travel I have only had one accident, over 25 years ago. I have received two trafic tickets in my life, both for speeding, with the last being over 15 years ago. I currently only use my detector on long trips greater than an hours travel. I find leaving it in the car otherwise a magnet for thieves.


Comment by ya trick ya, on 28-Apr-2008 20:55

Police are there to ensure our safety, How will giving fines and demiert points to people that use radar detectors protect any one? speeding doesnt kill people, driving unsafely kills people, looking at ur speedo every 5 seconds to makes sur ur not ova the speed limit while you should be concentrating on the road and traffic around you, i would consider dangrous driving. the relatly is i can safely travel at 140-150 on some streches of motor way when there is little traffic, am i putting any one at risk? NO im not.is it dangrous driving NO it isnt. People in german and all over europe, curze at speeds well ova 200 every day. and guess wat they have fewer deaths than nz. hmmm makes you think. as i believe that every driver in nz can safely travel at speeds well over 100 on motor ways and some streches of open roads, this current speed limit is unjust, therefore not only is it our right but also our responability to break this rediculous law. Jst typical revenue gathering. not protecting or saving any one. therefore if you have a radar detector good on you!


Comment by Brian, on 11-May-2008 09:36

There's actually zero evidence that speed itself is the cause of most accidents... and 'speeding' is not a legitimate construct, because it means going faster than a number that is arbitrarily set. It's generally other factors that cause the accidents, which when combined with high speeds end up deadly. These factors are inattention, dangerous maneuvers, tailgating, and drunkenness. The government in the mean time will keep making up lies to justify the ticketing of motorists. Speeding isn't ‘cool', it's just trying to get to your destination on time. I agree that street racing is generally quite stupid, but what needs to be the issue is making RECKLESS DRIVING socially unacceptable, not speeding responsibly. I've done 88 in a 55 mph zone, straight road, few people around, most doing 15 over already. I didn't endanger anyone. Yet if I were to do the speed limit in heavy rain, I'd be crazy. This whole 'speeding' thing makes people pay too much attention to dumb numbers instead of common sense. Instead of 'checking their speed' when there's a cop around, people should be paying more attention. The whole 'speed kills' campaign probably kills more people than it saves. With the Radar Detector thing, they just want another excuse to make money and say that 'speed kills'.


Comment by Renee, on 9-Jun-2008 01:39

Speaking my opinion addresses all as a whole, I would just like to point out how ridiculous all of you sound, naive especially. Each of you likes to point out that the government is like money hungry vultures. Why can't you be content with the fact that laws are in place to protect you? You say you speed safely(a perfect example of an oxymoron if I ever did see one) Speeding is illegal. Why is it illegal you might ask? To plainly put it speeding kills. There is no if, buts, or maybes about it. the radar may be able to detect objects in front of or coming towards your car thus making it "safe" but can it detect pot holes, Rabbits(before its too late) Yes radars are good, for those who use them correctly, i.e. foggy conditions etcetera But what is the need for speed. if you are wiling to speed and need the use of things like jammers or a radar detection device to convenience you to slow down(for risk of fine and/ or demerit points), you are very pathetic. if your going to speed be the bigger man and take responsibility for your actions, is avoiding a ticket more important than lives. indeed very selfish, and if you can afford to buy a radar detector(unless its some cheep beeper that goes of every time) why cant you just pay for your fines(that you deserve) Speeding is a crime. It's despicable. If you want to speed, buy a race car and sign up for it the legal way. Don't put your needs before those of others; one day your going to cock up so bad you will understand why I'm angry. Radars are fine when used correctly Speeding is bad. If you speed you deserve to be fined loss of license as it goes on. Patience is a virtue and I recommend the practicing of that. Good driving is essential, and i bet you all think you're the shit don't stink, and have a problem with everyone else. Open your eyes and keep to the speed limit. Kiwi initiative I must say you are all fine examples of that. Respect your opinions and all that jazz but you have the wrong end of the stick, the world isn't against you. It's your actions, they're wrong no matter what you may think.


Comment by Renee, on 9-Jun-2008 01:53

Speaking my opinion addresses all as a whole, I would just like to point out how ridiculous all of you sound, naive especially. Each of you likes to point out that the government is like money hungry vultures. Why can't you be content with the fact that laws are in place to protect you? You say you speed safely(a perfect example of an oxymoron if I ever did see one) Speeding is illegal. Why is it illegal you might ask? To plainly put it speeding kills. There is no if, buts, or maybes about it. the radar may be able to detect objects in front of or coming towards your car thus making it "safe" but can it detect pot holes, Rabbits(before its too late) Yes radars are good, for those who use them correctly, i.e. foggy conditions etcetera But what is the need for speed. if you are wiling to speed and need the use of things like jammers or a radar detection device to convenience you to slow down(for risk of fine and/ or demerit points), you are very pathetic. if your going to speed be the bigger man and take responsibility for your actions, is avoiding a ticket more important than lives. indeed very selfish, and if you can afford to buy a radar detector(unless its some cheep beeper that goes of every time) why cant you just pay for your fines(that you deserve) Speeding is a crime. It's despicable. If you want to speed, buy a race car and sign up for it the legal way. Don't put your needs before those of others; one day your going to cock up so bad you will understand why I'm angry. Radars are fine when used correctly Speeding is bad. If you speed you deserve to be fined loss of license as it goes on. Patience is a virtue and I recommend the practicing of that. Good driving is essential, and i bet you all think you're the shit don't stink, and have a problem with everyone else. Open your eyes and keep to the speed limit. Kiwi initiative I must say you are all fine examples of that. Respect your opinions and all that jazz but you have the wrong end of the stick, the world isn't against you. It's your actions, they're wrong no matter what you may think.


Comment by RJT, on 11-Jun-2008 13:21

I would just like to address the above poster with his commentry regarding the mentality of the advocates for retaining radar units and the like. I travel roughly 40,000 - 50,000 kms, funnily enough I have friends and family who express themselves just as vocally who on average travel about 3000 - 5000 kms per year. I'm not saying that the milage people drive precludes their right to an opinion, but I will say that people who have to drive high milages are just as prone to errors in either judgement or monitoring of their speed. With that in mind their chances of being pinged for those errors in judgement are a great deal higher. Which brings me to the example of policemen hiding in the bushes with digital cameras taking photos of people driving over the whiteline, despite clear visibility. Those aforementioned officers then writing threatoning letters to the owver of such vehicles threatoning prison or large fines if the driver's name is not divulged. You try juggling multiple clients and attempting to catch every flight or ferry crossing you are booked on and see how easy it is when you just want to get past that 80 kph person without getting a speeding ticket. I'm frustrated with the lack of anything resembling community policing of either traffic or our laws, with this in mind the Police have gone from being an advocate for my safety to being a threat to my license in the event that I err. If you believe that people should have their right to radar detectors removed, then ultimately you should only have third party insurance as obviously you are impervious to error.


Comment by shane, on 17-Jun-2008 14:44

Is police pack rape and police brutallity illegal?? im here from Australia and it's all over the news here what the hell is going on in this country, who is running this circus, im apalled


Comment by toma Iurcu, on 29-Jul-2008 19:40

Hello to all.I do have a radar detector and yes it save me a lot of money and demerit points and the same like other people I think that 10 to 20 Ks will not make any diference.What will make a difference is road education and I'm sorry to say that but every day I feel like a lot of drivers don't deserve their licence .Driving should be a privilege for people who can do it .I speed some time but I'm aware of traffic, and that helped me not to have any accident in the last 20 years.So is not the speeding ,is not the radar detector but the drivers with not enough road education ,alcohol ,drugs ,mobile phones are factors that kill us.All the speed tickets and laws are a democratic way for the guvernment to make money.


Comment by Petria roderick, on 19-Aug-2008 20:35

Well they tried this back in the 80's and here's the reason it didn't get done. The law states that anyone is allowed to recieve any radio signal at any time and anywhere. The illegal part is that you are not allowed to profit from it unless the transmission is meant for you personally. Avoidance of a fine is profit. Radar is radio transmnission. So if the cop points the radar gun at you, it's meant for you! If it's not meant for you how do they know it was you that was being measured for speed. So if they do this it means it will become illegal to listen to the radio, watch TV, etc unless the radio/TV station states, along with the station ID, the names of the people who the broadcast is meant for. There goes the radio stations competitions! Baby minders, marine radio rescues, and weather forecasts if you are an outdoor adventure company worker. So to make radar detectors illegal would be a huge step towards the removal of freedoms that many people fought and died for in two world wars.


Comment by Craig Meads, on 27-Aug-2008 16:41

I can only hope that the National Party will reverse this piece of the legislation. A Radar Detector does not help you avoid fines, it makes you a safer driver. How often if it beeps because of a door opener signal, do you automatically check your speed. If you are doing 140k and it goes off, you're done like a dinner anyway, because you cannot slow in time. If on the other hand you are following some idiot travelling at 75k, and then when he gets to a passing lane you try and overtake, he speeds up to 110....well if the pig sniffer goes off because there's a copy at the end of the lanes with a trap setup, you're not going to do 120k are you. Of course if they would prefer you drive dangerously and risk killing an innocent child (as they would have us believe) then they would not want us to sit at 100k because the sniffer beeped, but speed up and then pay the $$$. Banning detectors assumes that all cops are good and that a quota system does not exist...yeah right. I am happy to have jammers banned, but not passive detectors, which afterall are only a logical extension of eyesight. The next step is to ban driving with the eyes open in case one sees a cop lurking and slows down to avoid a fine. Harry Duynhoven, I though you had more brains, but you have disappointed me.


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