Igloo = Pathetic *Rant warning*

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#843644 24-Jun-2013 21:32

If they were pay per view worthy events then yes, but as anyone will have a friend with sky that can watch it at their place with a BBQ/few beers you would have to have no friends sharing the same sports interest for the $20 cost to be worth it.

Priced so high to get no uptake so sky can say they tried but it didnt work.

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#843645 24-Jun-2013 21:32

richms:
NonprayingMantis:
Also, TVNZ OnDemand is available on laptops, which can be easily plugged into any modern TV with the aid of a $10 HDMI cable

And get a judddery unwatchable mess due to them using bastard browser plugins to play it.

Bring out the official xbmc (even for nz only content) and plex plugins and a desktop app (with no flash and keyboard shortcuts - so a remote can drive it)

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#843768 25-Jun-2013 08:07

You want everything for a $100?

As for pricing on igloo for a sports event $20 is too high but any less than $10 and what is the point. If you are going to be a one off customer than expect to pay one off prices. They can't rely on you for repeat business so why would they treat you as such.

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#843789 25-Jun-2013 08:57

DavidCole,

Read your article and it makes some good points. Although online content is a good thing in some cases it needs to be just as or even easier than the current terrestrial model to get total buyin and I can't see how it can until every TV has a app for ever different available product.

As for the pick and choose model you want I actually think there is way more people who get SKY for mutliple things than do not and there is no way that it would ever be a $2-$4 a channel pick the channels you want model.

Some channels will be way more, a dedicated rugby only channel where it is not shown anywhere else would be at least $20 a month.

A $2-$4 a channel model would be like saying that you could get lobster in a restaurant for the same or close to the price of a bowl of chips.

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#843813 25-Jun-2013 09:38

Jas777: You want everything for a $100?

As for pricing on igloo for a sports event $20 is too high but any less than $10 and what is the point. If you are going to be a one off customer than expect to pay one off prices. They can't rely on you for repeat business so why would they treat you as such.

I'm not sure wanting a box that will record is too much to ask.

Ofc it is going to be gimoed, but if it was a decent enough box and the prices more structured to micro-purchasing I think there might be an increased uptake. Igloo missed the boat, should have been released a lot closer to when Freeview launched because now people have boxes or tvs. As it stands this is no more than another Freeview box that can't record.

As it stands $15 per sport is still not enough knowing I'm forced in to hardware where I can't record FTA TV. It seems like such a silly omission.

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#843818 25-Jun-2013 09:45

Jas777: DavidCole,

Read your article and it makes some good points. Although online content is a good thing in some cases it needs to be just as or even easier than the current terrestrial model to get total buyin and I can't see how it can until every TV has a app for ever different available product.

As for the pick and choose model you want I actually think there is way more people who get SKY for mutliple things than do not and there is no way that it would ever be a $2-$4 a channel pick the channels you want model.

Some channels will be way more, a dedicated rugby only channel where it is not shown anywhere else would be at least $20 a month.

A $2-$4 a channel model would be like saying that you could get lobster in a restaurant for the same or close to the price of a bowl of chips.

Well the Rugby Channel is only $8? That's a perfect sub price if you are in to rugby... thing is it's "cheap" because you have already forked out $27 for Sky Sport which has the same content anyway (well, the content that matters).

I like your food analogy... Although this is my version. A $2-$10 channel model is like walking in to McDonalds and selecting just the Grand Angus; or a Cheeseburger; or both; or - and for the person who must have it all, a Value Dinner Box :-P

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#843827 25-Jun-2013 10:03

Jas777: DavidCole,

Read your article and it makes some good points. Although online content is a good thing in some cases it needs to be just as or even easier than the current terrestrial model to get total buyin and I can't see how it can until every TV has a app for ever different available product.

As for the pick and choose model you want I actually think there is way more people who get SKY for mutliple things than do not and there is no way that it would ever be a $2-$4 a channel pick the channels you want model.

Some channels will be way more, a dedicated rugby only channel where it is not shown anywhere else would be at least $20 a month.

A $2-$4 a channel model would be like saying that you could get lobster in a restaurant for the same or close to the price of a bowl of chips.

I was basing the pricing on what I'd seen from the roku channel listings. So Hulu and Netflix are $7.99 each (much better value than the $20 - $30 - or whatever it is, a month for Sky Movies), and other channels seem to be in the the $2 - $10 range. With a bunch of free ones as well.

So lets say the roku came to NZ.

A Quickflixnz channel - the roku channel is free to install, but you need a subscription
TVNZ On Demand Channel should be free, but ok, to fund development how about a one off $10 charge?
TV3 same as TVNZ
Spotify is there already there
Sky channels, depending how they wanted to do the subscriptions, they could offer the channels for free and use the $40 - $x amount for a sky subscription, or a per channel price to catch those that aren't subscribers - they could butter their bread on both sides if they did it right.

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#844024 25-Jun-2013 14:20

sday,

However you will still have to go to the steak restaurant next door the get the premium meal that McDonalds doesn't do.

DavidCole,

I get you about SKY movies which isn't a great package. So maybe you do get a cheaper version of that, though I would imagine you would be paying more like $14.99 quickflix than $7.99 netflix price.

Do you know what if any sports packages Roku has? Do they just act as a on-seller?

The other thing I would imagine that sports bodies might be very careful about is that it is much easier to access online content from another country than it is terrestrial coverage. In the example of the EPL the rights holder for Thailand paid 10 billion baht for 3 years, if it is easier for Thais to access online coverage for half what the terrestrial coverage cost then he isn't going to be a happy camper and the sports body might not be too happy at next negotiation round.

The other interesting development with this and any other content might be what happens if geo-blocking is stopped. The result could be higher prices for poorer countries to keep rights holders in rich countries happy.

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#844028 25-Jun-2013 14:27

Jas777: sday,

However you will still have to go to the steak restaurant next door the get the premium meal that McDonalds doesn't do.

DavidCole,

I get you about SKY movies which isn't a great package. So maybe you do get a cheaper version of that, though I would imagine you would be paying more like $14.99 quickflix than $7.99 netflix price.

Do you know what if any sports packages Roku has? Do they just act as a on-seller?

The other thing I would imagine that sports bodies might be very careful about is that it is much easier to access online content from another country than it is terrestrial coverage. In the example of the EPL the rights holder for Thailand paid 10 billion baht for 3 years, if it is easier for Thais to access online coverage for half what the terrestrial coverage cost then he isn't going to be a happy camper and the sports body might not be too happy at next negotiation round.

The other interesting development with this and any other content might be what happens if geo-blocking is stopped. The result could be higher prices for poorer countries to keep rights holders in rich countries happy.

See if this works for you Sports Channels

Remember I'd only advacate a roku type system here, if the broadcasters, sky would jump on board. Otherwise we'd be no better off that the XBMC model where "channels" are user developed, and prone to stop working as they don't have official support.

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#844041 25-Jun-2013 14:36

Thanks David,

This model with sports won't work in NZ in regards to core NZ sports as it is unique to the US somewhat.

One thing a lot of people might not realise is that the sports packages they have are all region blocked in the US. If you login into MLBTV in New York state then you can't see the New York Yankees as a local cable channel has the rights.

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#844048 25-Jun-2013 14:44

Jas777: Thanks David,

This model with sports won't work in NZ in regards to core NZ sports as it is unique to the US somewhat.

One thing a lot of people might not realise is that the sports packages they have are all region blocked in the US. If you login into MLBTV in New York state then you can't see the New York Yankees as a local cable channel has the rights.

I think if we continue down the EPL's split off to it's logical conclusion, and treat all of NZ as 1, then it could. You pay subscription to the sports you want to watch, watch it on tablets/phones etc, or get the corresponding roku channel.

Even sky could get in on the act and resell the individual channels.

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#844056 25-Jun-2013 15:03

Jas777: sday,

However you will still have to go to the steak restaurant next door the get the premium meal that McDonalds doesn't do.

You like steak huh? Haha, but comparing it to restaurants is kind of weird because there is only one, restaurant. Sky is like the premium restaurant that doesn't allow doggy-bags i.e. you must go to them and you must consume their content at their place... Argh, these analogy's are getting on top of me.

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#844058 25-Jun-2013 15:06

I agree about SKY reselling channels on behalf of someone else like FOXTEL does with Setanta sports.

I thought it might eventually happen with the EPL but the cost to set up 1 channel for 1 sport and only part of that 1 sport most likely means it doesn't happen. Now if they were to get all football it might be a different story but football will be over 3 different providers as from next year.

However I still reckon there are more people who are multiple sports fans with say 2-3 ones they like a lot and a few they like to watch on the odd occasion for the pay per sports model to not be as successful as some seem to think it will be.

Also added into the mix is that for some even a pay per sport or individual cable channel model still isn't right and they want a pay per game or pay per programme/episode model

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#845500 26-Jun-2013 11:37

I just jumped onto the igloo band wagon, picked one up cheap from work, will report my feelings on the device in a few days....

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#845506 26-Jun-2013 11:48

Jas777: sday,

However you will still have to go to the steak restaurant next door the get the premium meal that McDonalds doesn't do.

DavidCole,

I get you about SKY movies which isn't a great package. So maybe you do get a cheaper version of that, though I would imagine you would be paying more like $14.99 quickflix than $7.99 netflix price.

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slightly off-topic, but regarding this point, people need to remember that Netflix price is in USD and excludes sales tax.

So if netflix were to launch here and had identical costs per subscriber to the US business, they would still be priced at least $12 (converting $8USD to NZD, adding 15% GST).
In reality their cost per subscriber would be much higher because of the lack of economies of scale in NZ compared to US

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