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  #2102067 5-Oct-2018 11:20
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Really goes back to the problem that the anti Sky brigade don't want to pay what is the going rate for sport. What many deem an "acceptable price" for viewing is very different to the real world, and with a small country like NZ the costs of big sport and such as rugby have to be recouped from general revenue as it could never stand by itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe it is just the "anti Sky Brigade" Sky operates in this market and therefore needs to price accordingly. In the last 18 months things have changed, we have underlying inflation which I believe is going to make itself felt very soon, we have increased taxation, sorry increased excise, we have the price of petrol being made up daily, we have the price of power increasing and the is list goes on. Wages in real terms have not gone up so pressure on family and individual budgets is increasing. Sky comes under discretionary expeniture and it is one area where folks can say no I am not paying that. Sky has a churn issue and I feel a big cause of this is folks trimming their expenditure where they can. With the loss of big sports events Sky will come under more scrutiny when families and individuals redo their budgets and the attractiveness of the Sky offering becomes less and less.

 

 


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  #2102075 5-Oct-2018 11:31
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MikeB4:

 

sbiddle:

 

Really goes back to the problem that the anti Sky brigade don't want to pay what is the going rate for sport. What many deem an "acceptable price" for viewing is very different to the real world, and with a small country like NZ the costs of big sport and such as rugby have to be recouped from general revenue as it could never stand by itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe it is just the "anti Sky Brigade" Sky operates in this market and therefore needs to price accordingly. In the last 18 months things have changed, we have underlying inflation which I believe is going to make itself felt very soon, we have increased taxation, sorry increased excise, we have the price of petrol being made up daily, we have the price of power increasing and the is list goes on. Wages in real terms have not gone up so pressure on family and individual budgets is increasing. Sky comes under discretionary expeniture and it is one area where folks can say no I am not paying that. Sky has a churn issue and I feel a big cause of this is folks trimming their expenditure where they can. With the loss of big sports events Sky will come under more scrutiny when families and individuals redo their budgets and the attractiveness of the Sky offering becomes less and less.

 

 

 

 

The churn has been small % for a while now. Last result was better they trimmed costs. Its a choice if you want it or not. They have a premium sports product, churn will stabilise and so on. Sorted.

 

BUT you are right on the last point, if they start losing sports, its like buying a Fanta at Macca's, diluted. Thats when it will hurt. They can either reduce price for the reduced content or decide to shutdown, or decide to stay in business until they break even then shut down. They have few assets as well, they can';t sell goodwill, or the 1 million dishes or probably the STB's. There is no room for a satellite non sports provider so thats out. This is assuming that sports all go the way of the content owner distributing directly to the public, or that becomes the major method


 
 
 
 


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  #2102101 5-Oct-2018 12:24
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I have found youtube.tv, sky sports f1, foxtel au so far.... but all need a vpn, and even then sometimes it will still be geoblocked.

 

 

I can confirm that Foxtel Now works fine with a VPN (I use PIA), but you need an Australian credit card to sign up.


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  #2102105 5-Oct-2018 12:32
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divxmaster:

 

I have found youtube.tv, sky sports f1, foxtel au so far.... but all need a vpn, and even then sometimes it will still be geoblocked.

 

 

I can confirm that Foxtel Now works fine with a VPN (I use PIA), but you need an Australian credit card to sign up.

 

 

 

 

Cool, thanks thats good to know. I have free windscribe 60GB, but unfortunately that doesnt include australia.

 

I tried bbc Iplayer channel 4 (which has the f1 free), but no go throught windscribe vpn, it blocks windscribes IP presumably.


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  #2102108 5-Oct-2018 12:44
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divxmaster:

 

I have found youtube.tv, sky sports f1, foxtel au so far.... but all need a vpn, and even then sometimes it will still be geoblocked.

 

 

I can confirm that Foxtel Now works fine with a VPN (I use PIA), but you need an Australian credit card to sign up.

 

 

 

 

Any chance you could test BBC iplayer channel 4 through PIA?  You will need to create a BBC logon though, which I did this morning and is very easy.

 

If we can get F1 free, then that would be the best solution.

 

 


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  #2102117 5-Oct-2018 13:08
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BBC Iplayer and Channel 4 are different streaming and onDemand services.

 

The BBC has no rights to the F1 in the UK

 

 





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  #2102150 5-Oct-2018 13:20
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Any chance you could test BBC iplayer channel 4 through PIA?  You will need to create a BBC logon though, which I did this morning and is very easy.

 

 

I can watch the live stream of Channel 4 through the All4 app on Android with PIA.


 
 
 
 


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  #2102151 5-Oct-2018 13:20
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There are a number of paid IPTV providers who carry F1 streams - and the problem for places like Sky is that piracy isn't their real competition.. $10 per month to get hundreds of channels from a (dodgy) provider is.

 

 


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  #2102153 5-Oct-2018 13:25
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divxmaster:

 

Any chance you could test BBC iplayer channel 4 through PIA?  You will need to create a BBC logon though, which I did this morning and is very easy.

 

 

I can watch the live stream of Channel 4 through the All4 app on Android with PIA.

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Ironically I have just read that SKY UK will have exclusive rights to 2019 UK F1

 

 

 

 


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  #2102154 5-Oct-2018 13:29
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[T]he problem for places like Sky is that piracy isn't their real competition.. $10 per month to get hundreds of channels from a (dodgy) provider is.

 

 

If you are getting it from some dodgy provider, then that is piracy. If you getting it from a legitimate source (either an overseas FTA or SVoD service that has paid for the rights), then that is more a grey area. Given that the legitimate source has paid for those rights, I know that the sport is not losing out if I watch that stream. Sky TV might be losing out, but that's not my problem.


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  #2102166 5-Oct-2018 13:39
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sbiddle:

 

[T]he problem for places like Sky is that piracy isn't their real competition.. $10 per month to get hundreds of channels from a (dodgy) provider is.

 

 

If you are getting it from some dodgy provider, then that is piracy. If you getting it from a legitimate source (either an overseas FTA or SVoD service that has paid for the rights), then that is more a grey area. Given that the legitimate source has paid for those rights, I know that the sport is not losing out if I watch that stream. Sky TV might be losing out, but that's not my problem.

 

 

Sure it's piracy, but it's not the usual target of TBH that Sky still think is the only place people pirate stuff from. The whole IPTV space seems to be being ignored at present and these companies offering such services certainly seem to have no trouble operating and aren't facing the same targets and threats that other service are.

 

 

 

 


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Surely a legit service will enter the space and people won’t need VPNs and dns solutions




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  #2102175 5-Oct-2018 13:47
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Sure it's piracy, but it's not the usual target of TBH that Sky still think is the only place people pirate stuff from. The whole IPTV space seems to be being ignored at present and these companies offering such services certainly seem to have no trouble operating and aren't facing the same targets and threats that other service are.

 

 

Sky are definitely aware of the sports piracy issue. From a recent press release: "Three hundred thousand New Zealanders are regularly watching illegal streams of sports. The figure comes from a major research project Sky had carried out by Research Now in May this year" I highly doubt the 300k figure myself, along with the FUD in the rest of the article (malware, etc).


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  #2102191 5-Oct-2018 14:30
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stinger:

 

sbiddle:

 

Sure it's piracy, but it's not the usual target of TBH that Sky still think is the only place people pirate stuff from. The whole IPTV space seems to be being ignored at present and these companies offering such services certainly seem to have no trouble operating and aren't facing the same targets and threats that other service are.

 

 

Sky are definitely aware of the sports piracy issue. From a recent press release: "Three hundred thousand New Zealanders are regularly watching illegal streams of sports. The figure comes from a major research project Sky had carried out by Research Now in May this year" I highly doubt the 300k figure myself, along with the FUD in the rest of the article (malware, etc).

 

 

This is already discussed elsewhere on here - and if you heard their lawyer talking about this she basically inferred their main target is torrents and TPB specifically.

 

 


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/107624052/heres-how-to-get-the-best-value-from-streaming-services

 

Short Story, Streaming is causing piracy.

 

Too much streaming, cheaper to pirate than to subscribe to too many services. So all those that said its not about money, IT IS


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