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  #5792 17-May-2004 22:30
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But we are not talking a few dollars here john, as to your fuel thing.

Here is an example. Say a fuel company went complety mad and intoduced "$10 a month for unlimited petrol". You think hey, this seems abit odd so you ring up and they reassure you that this wonderful deal is here to stay. Great you think. All of a sudded EVERYONE is driving their cars EVERYWHERE all the time. Say this goes on for 11 months, and you get quite used to it. Would you be a tad upset if you pulled up to your local fuel station and read a sign saying "New Deal:$10 for the first 5 Litres of petrol each month, thereafter 20c per 10mls"? Now lets assume that every other petrol station is now charging 20c per 10mls, no $10 for the first 5L. What would you do? Here is what you would do. First of all you would be outraged at the fuel prices. Second of all you would buy 5L of petrol per month from that petrol station cos hey, its still the best deal in town right? But you would be mighty pissed off. Dont read too much into this, petrol isn't the best example but hey, what are ya gonna do?




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  #5793 17-May-2004 22:43
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Telecom never stipulated it would be forever. If, a representitive of telecom, acting as a rep from telecom, told you that it would continue forever (stupid comment there) or, did he/she express it as a personal opinion? And can you prove that the comment was/was not made as a personal opinion? If so, take it to the Commerce Commission.......

Telecoms T&C website never said it was forever, thus they are covered - the ads said the full T&C was on the website etc etc.....

The fact is, you *CHOSE* to change to telecom, and $10 txt was a contributing factor. Now, it's no longer happening, you've made your bed, now lie in it. / Grow up, & stop whining when a corporate entity makes decisions you don't like. You live in the real world now, not some perfect competition BS.... get over it.




 
 
 
 


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  #5795 17-May-2004 22:50
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But nor did Telecom stipulate that it was mearly a promotion. Sure they never stipulated that it was going to last forever, but neither did they stiplate that it wasnt...I think I have to right to assume, when I ring and speak to a Telecom representitve that the guidance they give me is based on knowledge of the companies intentions. I did not ring to get an opinion, I rang to get facts, if they do not know the facts they should say that, and further more endevour to find out for me, if they value me as a customer. $10 TXT was more than a contributing factor. $10 TXT was the one and only reason why I changed to Telecom.




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  #5798 17-May-2004 23:02
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"If the fuel companies introduced $10.00 Fuel all you can have per month I would be smart enough to know its not going to last, and if you invested $600 in a telecom mobile you are not a wise investor. When you invest you are meant to get a return. what is your Handset worth now to sell. Bet its less than you paid for it, bad investment choice back to the text book. investment for dummies (thats a joke don't take it too heart). With Telecon there is always one winner at the end of the year when Telecom balances its books, and trust me its not me. "

You may be smart enought to realise it is not going to last, but you would still use it, possibly abuse it. And after a while you would get used to it. I invested $600 in a Telecom phone because of $10 TXTing. If I can get a REASONABLE phone for $600 and enjoy unlimited text messaging for $10 a month then that $600 is certainly a worthwhile investment for me. Its all about oppertunity cost you see. The oppertunity cost of me buying a vodafone is that I have to pay 20c a message. Now lets say I send around 2000 messages a month, which is about right. Lets do some maths. 2000 x 0.2 = $400/month. Now you see, over a two month period on Vodafone I would spend $800 on text messaging. On Telecom, even with the cost of my phone included I would spend only $620 for that 2 month period. That means after only 2 months I am better off to the tune of $180, not a bad ROI really. Now bare in mind that 'my 'investment decision' was based on, shall we say 'reasearch' I did prior. Ie. rigning Telecom to make sure that I was going to get what I was hoping to get from my investment. Now when we take into account the new deal, the picture is not so pretty. 1500 * 0.2 = $300/month. That means that over a two month period, my ROI goes from $180 to -$420...Oh no




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  #5800 17-May-2004 23:24
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"adamj you are wrong, Cause you would not normaly use the service that much, and I had the choice to goto $10.00 text. I only send about $10.00 a month. My friends know how to string a sentence together I just ring them. If I am at home I will use the land line and If I am out and about I will use my mobile.

Im sorry adam no matter what you say Telecom saw you and all your mates coming a mile off. They will just have to build a bridge and get over it.

There is more too life than having your face stuck in a mobile phone texting nothing to your friends."

But for simplicity reasons we have to assume I would. Its called ceteris paribus and if you know anything at all about Economics you will understand. I am not disputing what you are saying about Telecom saw us coming, in fact thats the whole reason why I am angry. They used us. They led us to believe something. Maybe the youth of today are extremly gullible and nieve, but that is no excuse for Telecom to take advantage of them in this way.




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  #5801 17-May-2004 23:31
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Johnr, I am not going to change my views. I'm not one to sit down and just accept everything that comes my way, that isn't who I am. In fact that is against everything I stand for. Johnr, no offence, but you strike me (and friends of mine who have read this forum) as "old and set in your ways". I have every right to say what I believe in and not you, nor anyone else can tell me otherwise. You have some valid points John, but you seem to be missing mine. Might I suggest you sit down with a pot of tea and perhaps a scone and read over the forum to try and pick up my point. Don't get any crumbs stuck in your beard now. I'm off to bed...




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  #5802 17-May-2004 23:37
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AdamJ,
how much were you spending on text before you bought your telecom phone? Were you spending more than $100 a month? Well if you were then you're now $90 a month better off. Instead of 2 months to get that ROI its going to take 7 months, big deal. You're still getting a ROI if you want to look at it that way

 
 
 
 


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  #5803 17-May-2004 23:41
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I was spending roughly $40 a week on Vodafone, so average $173 a month. Sure its a saving, but I am now used to sending 2000+ messages a month, thats hard to change a habbit all of a sudden ya know. Its alot easier to increase your usage than decrease it.




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  #5804 17-May-2004 23:45
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You talk alot about being business savvy and investing, is spending that much money on text really a good way to use it? What sort of return do you get from sending those text? Is it really worth it? It costs less than that to get a 200 minute anytime voice plan, surely you could say alot more in 200 minutes than 2000 texts.
You seem to have changed you're habits rather quickly by more than doubling the amount of text you send.

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  #5805 17-May-2004 23:49
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bare in mind I changed to Telecom 11 months ago so ive had all that time to get used to it. Sure, perhaps my money could be better spent but hey, your only young once. I choose to enjoy myself now, plently on time for getting serious about money once i've got my degree (and am $72,000 in debt). $10 TXT sure does make it alot more affordable for me thought.




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  #5806 17-May-2004 23:59
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So in the past 11 months you have spent less on text than you used to spend in a month, and you're complaining????
You have had it sweet adam. Telecom mobile has made you almost $1800 better off over the past 11 months.
People have abused their goodwill so they have had to react, but they are still the best price in the market aren't they. And have they said they are going to completely pull the plug? No, they are committing to be the most competitive in the market. The current format may change again at the end of the year, who knows what will happen then. I'm sure it will still be better than the vodafone offering though.

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