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mentalinc
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  #1671312 15-Nov-2016 13:48
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My flick data from the last 14 days...

 

Shows power usage,

 

inclusive price, and spot price (line graph)

 

Then some averages based on the existing data sets...

 

 

 

Click to see full size





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droopanu
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  #1671318 15-Nov-2016 13:52
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mentalinc:

 

My flick data from the last 14 days...

 

Shows power usage,

 

inclusive price, and spot price (line graph)

 

Then some averages based on the existing data sets...

 

 

 

Click to see full size

 

 

 

 

How did you get all that data? Have you found a way to export flick data?


mentalinc
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  #1671330 15-Nov-2016 14:04
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Refer back a few pages, but I wrote some code building off the work of another geekzone user.

 

Find my code on github here:

 

https://github.com/mentalinc/flick_scrape_halfhour

 

Enter your creds in the script point at a grafana and then away you go...

 

 

 

Edit: I've just added to github my example Grafana json file to help people quickly recreate my screenshot...

 

 

 

 





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  #1674191 19-Nov-2016 14:25
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Has anyone put thought to bitcoin mining with flick? My nights and weekends rate is usually less than 10 cents per kw which I think is relatively competitive globally (except for free power in China). Plus could interface with the spot price to stop mining if total cost exceeded x per kwh

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  #1674230 19-Nov-2016 16:27
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nickb800: Has anyone put thought to bitcoin mining with flick? My nights and weekends rate is usually less than 10 cents per kw which I think is relatively competitive globally (except for free power in China). Plus could interface with the spot price to stop mining if total cost exceeded x per kwh

 

 

 

8 US cents is common in a number of US states, so i imagine there has been lots of thought yes.

 

Good calculator at https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/mining/

 

https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html 


droopanu
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  #1682701 5-Dec-2016 17:09
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This is interesting .... Looks like the night low price is no more in Wellington. :(

 

 

 

I got this email from flick:

 

If you watch your dashboard carefully you will know that for some time we’ve been able to offer all of our Wellington customers a lower overnight (11pm – 7am) lines charge made available to us by Wellington Electricity (the lines company in Wellington).
 
Wellington Electricity has asked all retailers to cease offering this tariff to customers unless they have the very specific metering set up for which the tariff was originally designed. Unfortunately, your meter setup doesn’t meet the eligibility criteria.
 
Wellington Electricity has advised they have no immediate intention to offer a time-of-day option to customers without the specific meter configuration referred to above.
 
We think all lines companies should be looking at better ways to manage demand on their network, and the advent of smart technologies like ours give them plenty of opportunity to innovate. We’ll keep championing a new tariff that rewards energy consumers for moving demand to off-peak times of day, and keep you posted on progress.


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  #1682702 5-Dec-2016 17:10
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Just received notice that the day / night plans in Wellington are going away. That's a shame as that was the basis of the most saving for me, offloading most of my load till after 11pm. Doesn't seem to be anything to replace it unfortunately.

 

From Flicks email

 

If you watch your dashboard carefully you will know that for some time we’ve been able to offer all of our Wellington customers a lower overnight (11pm – 7am) lines charge made available to us by Wellington Electricity (the lines company in Wellington).   Wellington Electricity has asked all retailers to cease offering this tariff to customers, except when they have controlled load on a very specific metering set up.

 

 

 

Edit

 

Seeing as I posted at the same time as droopanu, here is the second part of my email. Note - I don't have any controlled load, therefore, although I have a controllable meter, nothing will be controlled.

 

Lucky for you, you have one meter that is eligible. It probably runs your night-store heater, overnight hot water cylinder, or underfloor heating. To be eligible the meter must control a permanently wired device.   The special rate will only apply to power used by this device between 11pm and 7am, and 1pm and 3pm. There will be no power to this device at other times of day (controlled by Wellington Electricity).   It is important to note that the meter that controls the rest of your property is not eligible for the special rate.


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  #1682719 5-Dec-2016 17:16
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dolsen:

 

Just received notice that the day / night plans in Wellington are going away. That's a shame as that was the basis of the most saving for me, offloading most of my load till after 11pm. Doesn't seem to be anything to replace it unfortunately.

 

 

For me (gas for water and cooking, electricity for heating) this change if it was applied a week ago for the latest bill would entirely chew all the "savings compared the previous provider/plan".

 

Which means for me the most efficient way to manage it at the moment is to wait for the cold months and switch to someone else who provides "free first month for new clients".


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  #1682721 5-Dec-2016 17:18
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Well there goes about 50% the point of having Flick Electric. In parts of the year when generation prices are stable, like now, you might save 3-4c/kwh by moving your load off-peak, whereas the line saving was 6.6c/kwh. It's effectively a stealth price rise by WE.

 

I guess I'll look at Electric Kiwi given there "one free hour of power" each day a bit more carefully now.


droopanu
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  #1682723 5-Dec-2016 17:20
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I was just planning to install a timer on the water heater.

 

Good thing I did not do it, as it would not offer much savings from now on...


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  #1682725 5-Dec-2016 17:22
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droopanu:

 

I was just planning to install a timer on the water heater.

 

Good thing I did not do it, as it would not offer much savings from now on...

 

 

Yeah, that was $250 pretty much wasted. We can still avoid the peaks in winter, and get some advantage of the cheaper off-peak power, but it won't be near as attractive now.


zerkms
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  #1682727 5-Dec-2016 17:24
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timmmay:

 

 whereas the line saving was 6.6c/kwh. It's effectively a stealth price rise by WE.

 

 

 

 

It actually has increased from 1.89c/kWh to 11.58c/kWh. So it's 9.69c/kWh difference (or 11.14c after GST is applied). 


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  #1682728 5-Dec-2016 17:24
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Interesting still listed on there pricing schedule..... https://welectricity.co.nz/dmsdocument/92

droopanu
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  #1682729 5-Dec-2016 17:26
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You can find a price schedule with the new tariffs from 5 January here: https://www.flickelectric.co.nz/downloads/wellington_network_pricing_schedule.pdf .


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  #1682730 5-Dec-2016 17:27
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Yeah, just got the same email, and the news is a bit of an upset. Glad I haven't just invested in timers to shift my hot water heating to overnight (as I was planning to do!), as this change would make it much harder to recoup that money.

 

 

 

I'm going to need to crunch the numbers to see if the reduced savings are worth the risk now. Certainly the cheaper overnight rates are where we made significant savings up until now. Whilst I expect Flick to still be cheaper overall, there is also still the risks attached to price spikes... and if the savings are reduced, then the risk profile might no longer be worth accepting any longer.

 

 

 

Be interested to hear how the new rates will stack up for everyone else... and therefore who are staying with Flick, and who are planning to leave.


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