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Topic # 217851 15-Jul-2017 11:08
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I just invested 4k in purchasing a defibrillator for my staff and just wondering who else has now got them in there work place. I have also got somebody coming in to do a course on how to use it across all our shifts to make sure nobody is scared to use it but also how to use it properly even though its supposed to be completely automatic.

 

I have seen so many stories of where these devices have saved lives and thought it would be an invaluable thing to have on site.





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  Reply # 1822797 15-Jul-2017 11:19
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Yes , we had one in my previous place of work in Middelton Christchurch and being a first aider we were all trained

 

Its a very good move you have done.

 

Ours was routinely checked by the provider. 

 

When we do a fire drill, someone assigned to the area where it is located will bring it out to the assembly point.

 

It should be easy to use as you follow voice prompts.

 

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  Reply # 1822799 15-Jul-2017 11:21
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We've got several dotted around the building including in the public areas and in the parts of the building that are used 24/7. To the best of my knowledge they've never been needed but it certainly makes you happy knowing they are there.


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  Reply # 1822802 15-Jul-2017 11:28
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Good on you, and also excellent to hear that you are doing training with it as well.  As @Qwertee has mentioned, they are as simple as following the voice prompts - however knowing in advance what that will sound like / what you have to do is fantastic, and will make people much less apprehensive towards using it.  

 

We have 5 / possible 6 in the area where I work, spread over a rather large site (it's around 200m for me to run from my area to the nearest one) and they are well signposted so everyone knows where they are.  Not knowing your business at all, but if you have the general public having access to your site, I would put the unit somewhere they can see / access it.  I particularly like that Mitre10 have theirs very prominently displayed so either staff or public can grab it in an emergency.

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1822806 15-Jul-2017 11:40
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No public access as my company is a manufacturer, we operate 24/7 so its good to know something is there for all the shifts should it ever be needed.





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  Reply # 1822815 15-Jul-2017 12:04
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There is a medical study that tested them on 7 year olds (or similar age) and they had no issues correctly using them.  Shame they are so expensive, as that will be the biggest barrier to having them.  Training is great, it gives confidence, but an untrained person will find it simple to do.  The hardest thing people find to do is make the decision to put it on someone, the knowledge that it wont deliver a shock unless it is required should put minds at ease.  

 

The first time I ever used one was at a sudden collapse at my work place and I had many bystanders around me telling me not to shock them even though the machine was saying to do it, all because the person was breathing, as it turned out these were aganol respirations. I followed the machines instructions and  shocked him - it worked, reverted him and pulse returned.  Dont be afraid to put it on someone if you cant feel a pulse and they are unconscious, the machine will do the rest.


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  Reply # 1822819 15-Jul-2017 12:14
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Using them is the simple part - they really are child's play with the voice prompts.

 

The important aspects are not the use of the device however, but the correct installation of the pads and that staff are trained in CPR which they can commence immediately while the defib is retrieved and set up. Both really go hand in hand together.

 

 


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  Reply # 1822879 15-Jul-2017 13:52
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I recall reading a story somewhere where a store had one which I believe was donated, but it couldn't be used due to health and safety laws. I think this is the story in it http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/300066/bunnings-accused-of-removing-three-defibrillators.

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mattwnz: I recall reading a story somewhere where a store had one which I believe was donated, but it couldn't be used due to health and safety laws. I think this is the story in it http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/300066/bunnings-accused-of-removing-three-defibrillators.

 

Made even worse by the GM on Bunnings NZ basically inferring there was no need for a defib as "Bunnings stores are located in well-populated areas that have ambulance services and medical facilities easily accessible" and that the chances of a cardiac type event in its stores was 0.26%. 

 

She's an absolute plonker.

 

 


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  Reply # 1822886 15-Jul-2017 14:09
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They are really easy to use, and a real life saver.

But as sbiddle says, the important training is CPR.




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  Reply # 1822894 15-Jul-2017 14:23
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sbiddle:

mattwnz: I recall reading a story somewhere where a store had one which I believe was donated, but it couldn't be used due to health and safety laws. I think this is the story in it http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/300066/bunnings-accused-of-removing-three-defibrillators.


Made even worse by the GM on Bunnings NZ basically inferring there was no need for a defib as "Bunnings stores are located in well-populated areas that have ambulance services and medical facilities easily accessible" and that the changes of a cardiac type event in its stores was 0.26%. 


She's an absolute plonker.


 



She must have realised that as Bunnings at the time did change their mind and put 5 units of their own in South Island stores. The ones that the staff provided went to community groups.



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  Reply # 1822899 15-Jul-2017 14:42
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To me it was a no brainer , I have staff that have been with us for 20+ years and around 65% of my staff would be 45 years + so it just makes sense to protect them.





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  Reply # 1822900 15-Jul-2017 14:42
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Bung:
sbiddle:

 

mattwnz: I recall reading a story somewhere where a store had one which I believe was donated, but it couldn't be used due to health and safety laws. I think this is the story in it http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/300066/bunnings-accused-of-removing-three-defibrillators.

 

 

 

Made even worse by the GM on Bunnings NZ basically inferring there was no need for a defib as "Bunnings stores are located in well-populated areas that have ambulance services and medical facilities easily accessible" and that the changes of a cardiac type event in its stores was 0.26%. 

 

 

 

She's an absolute plonker.

 

 

 

 

 



She must have realised that as Bunnings at the time did change their mind and put 5 units of their own in South Island stores. The ones that the staff provided went to community groups.

 

She was digging an incredibly big hole for herself with her arguments. They're incredibly common now with the competition having them at all their stores along with most supermarkets and a growing number of retail stores such as The Warehouse, Rebel Sport and Briscoes having them at most stores.

 

At the end of the day the presence of one and it's correct use could well save somebody's life. There aren't too many other things out there that can do this.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1822912 15-Jul-2017 15:28
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jarledb: They are really easy to use, and a real life saver.

But as sbiddle says, the important training is CPR.

 

My workplace bought two of them and they sat under someone's desk for six months - waiting for a first aid course that would include training people to use them!

 

AEDs are designed to be pretty much fool-proof, and they walk the user through each step of the process. I thought it was just farcical that they sat unavailable, and it's just as well someone didn't have a heart attack in that time. (In which case the person responsible for delaying their introduction would have been feeling a bit guilty!). And then when they put them in, the signage wasn't specific as to their exact location - again, it's critical that those unfamiliar with a building can find them if need be.

 

But, yeah, I agree re going for a general first aid course for staff rather than specific training in using AEDs. Speaking of which, my workplace used St John's for the course I attended a couple of months back, and it was FAR better than the Red Cross ones I've done previously. A real pragmatic and practical focus.


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  Reply # 1822913 15-Jul-2017 15:28
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Make sure you add it to the ‘AED Locations’ app database so that it is locatable for anyone that needs it with the app.

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Ventura: Make sure you add it to the ‘AED Locations’ app database so that it is locatable for anyone that needs it with the app.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abletech.aedlocations

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