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  # 2206188 28-Mar-2019 12:33
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I gave 'one of nzs best' chiro's a fair crack to try and get rid of some neck pain of mine.. after 6 months of 'treatments' it wasn't worth the money nor would I personally recommend chiros as an effective source of treatment.


though my issues sound minor in comparison to yours I've found the best treatment for me was doing exercises that strengthen the areas of concern


One of the other interesting effects of muscle strengthening is that I find my balance is a whole heap better too which is a good bonus when you're aging 




networkn: I'd highly recommend a musculoskeletal specialist.




im going to look into this too, could you recommend anyone? 

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  # 2206190 28-Mar-2019 12:37
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One thing I have learned recently is that all muscle groups need to be "built" together. I have a knee injury I have been fighting due to Squash, and My gluts were the issue, not the knee. The Knee was getting "loaded" due to my other muscles not taking the load the way they were intended.  I am a reasonably fit "squash" player, but actually, because I was only dealing with squash related stuff, other areas were neglected which had previously un thought of consequences.


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  # 2206192 28-Mar-2019 12:41
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One thing I have learned recently is that all muscle groups need to be "built" together. 





Indeed - the physio (and exercises) I had for my heel issues focused on my calves, thighs and hips - she didn't touch my heel - and it worked very well.


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  # 2206194 28-Mar-2019 12:43
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The hip bone is connected to the wrist bone... indirectly. Agree that things need to be build together, and the problem may not be where you feel symptoms. Osteopaths are pretty good at finding the root cause, and giving stretches and exercises to help alleviate them. For example, my occasional sore back was diagnosed by the osteo as one leg slightly shorter than the other (which is normal), fairly easily fixed by a heel lift or building the shoe sole up 6mm. Another one, waking up with a sore back was diagnosed by another osteo as muscles and stuff around my hips being tight, stretches helped fix that.

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  # 2206195 28-Mar-2019 12:46
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I have a friend who is a ex Chiro ex Physio. He once admitted to me that he was never comfortable as a Chiro, he made great money doing but always felt he was being a little dishonest. 


His opinion now is that these people and to some degree less specialised Physios are people who help people by keeping them "busy" whilst nature takes it's course.

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  # 2206199 28-Mar-2019 12:56
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Nature has been taking its course with me for 19 years and that hasn't helped.



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  # 2206225 28-Mar-2019 13:25
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Nature has been taking its course with me for 19 years and that hasn't helped.





Yeah, I understand that, I am saying that Chiro's (by at least one prior Chiros admission) aren't actually "solving" issues.


As mentioned, I think proper diagnosis is the first step, and for that I think you need someone who's primary focus is science based. I'd be getting your GP to refer you to a MS specialist. 


They will likely want diagnostic imaging.




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  # 2206267 28-Mar-2019 13:35
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I second someone with a good understanding of muscles. This kind of explains it. But finding a good one...

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

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  # 2206323 28-Mar-2019 14:38
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I have a friend who is a chiro..... it annoys me how he calls himself a doctor! He is the last person I would want to treat me, and he has done nowhere near the effort it takes to become a real medical doctor. 


He is also anti vax, anti traditional medicines like antibiotics etc.   His view is that alternative treatment is superior to scientific/evidence backed treatment.  


Chiros are effectively massage therapists who like to call themselves doctors. Massage can make you feel better, and maybe there is some placebo effect going on too. But, chiros can also cause damage. 


Lets just say, we don't talk about his job haha.  We don't have to agree on everything so no point arguing it. 

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  # 2206625 28-Mar-2019 20:20
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It can take a while to find a good physio, you have to find someone who you click with, not just someone competent.  There's a few different types of physios in my experience... There's the exercise only ones who will only treat you by showing you how to treat yourself.  There's the lazy kind who give you a printout with some exercise diagrams on them and send you on your way.  The "good" physios are the pragmatic ones somewhere in-between.  I've been seeing mine every week for the last 18 months, but it took 20+ years to find her, and many physios that didn't work for me over that time (plus years of drugs and pain and going round in circles with hospital pain "specialists").  I see her weekly because I have an ongoing spinal issue and she just helps me maintain/cope with it....she isn't trying to "fix" it, it's not fixable.  Some weeks she'll do hands-on deep tissue massage or trigger point massage, other weeks she might do that and some acupuncture, other weeks we might do some rehab exercises plus massage.  Without her I'd be living on pain killers, like I used to in the past.  But again, like most people in the industry - you have to just keep trying until you find the right person for you.  Once you do find that person, hang on to them selfishly!  

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  # 2206938 29-Mar-2019 11:52
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OK - I'll weigh in here as I have had a considerable amount of experience with "normal" treatments and Chiropractor treatment for my long-term back injury.  




Approx. 12-13 years ago, I badly injured my back while moving furniture. End result after diagnosis and scans was that I had a "bulging disc" (in old-person terms - i.e. my language, a Slipped Disc). 


Doctor immediately put me on a course of Tramadol, high dose ant-inflammatories and a series of Physio treatments. 


Several months of physio and innumerable re-issues of painkillers and anti-inflammatories later and I was largely over being constantly medicated and the pain wasn't going I decided to stop taking pills and going to the Physio and worked instead on strengthening my core (as had been recommended) and doing back-specific exercises to help with the pain and discomfort. 


Sleep was hard to come by without medication and I wasn't getting any better, but I learned to live with it for a number of years. Surgery was suggested, but as I am chronically needle-phobic that was a very unlikely option for me. 




Enter the Chiropractor. Colleague recommended a Chiro for a cricked neck that I had and after initially being very reluctant, I decided to go - whilst there, she noticed that I favoured one side when I stood/walked. She asked if I had been treated for my back injury and I gave her the full story. 


She did what she did to by back and I didn't immediately feel better (although my neck was almost instantly cured). 


She recommended a couple more sessions (at which point I thought, "here we go - gravy train pulling into the station")...three sessions later and I was pain and drug free for the first time in many years. 


I visit her maybe once a year (sometimes more sometimes less) if I have any kind of a twinge. I also recommend anyone and everyone who needs chiro work to her, because my experiences have been so completely positive. 




It may not be for everyone, but I haven't heard a single complaint from anyone I have recommended. 






TL;DR - I like Chiro - cured my long-term back pain. 









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