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  #2347579 2-Nov-2019 13:00
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Delphinus: Had a moment this morning where I was stopped at a give way. Car approaching from the right indicating left and slowing down, starting to turn into the road I was coming out of. I checked left, lifted my foot off the brake to pull out and then suddenly the turning car is going straight through and not turning any more! The driver looked lost. Who would have been at fault there in the case of a collision? 

 

Annoying as this can be, the driver with the right of way also has the right to change their mind about turning off the road at any particular point. In black and white terms you would've failed to give way. I'm always very wary at intersections because of this exact scenario.

 

 

Same as if some genius is indicating right when going straight thru a roundabout so if you pull out turning left, which would be fine if they acutally turned right but they hit you still your fault. Glaring oversight in traffic law that indicating and not following thru with it gets you off any resulting accident when people rely on the indication.





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  #2347602 2-Nov-2019 13:59
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it looks more like someone missed their exit due the violent nature of the turn to the left.

 

see it all the time in Auckland.

 

 

I did consider that as an option but if that was the case it was very late and way too fast not to have ended up in tears on the off ramp. probably hitting the barrier in the process.





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Dratsab:

 

Delphinus: Had a moment this morning where I was stopped at a give way. Car approaching from the right indicating left and slowing down, starting to turn into the road I was coming out of. I checked left, lifted my foot off the brake to pull out and then suddenly the turning car is going straight through and not turning any more! The driver looked lost. Who would have been at fault there in the case of a collision? 

 

Annoying as this can be, the driver with the right of way also has the right to change their mind about turning off the road at any particular point. In black and white terms you would've failed to give way. I'm always very wary at intersections because of this exact scenario.

 

 

Drivers who indicate left when entering the roundabout when their intention is either to go straight through or turn right need to be taken out and shot.

 

In my opinion indicators (left indicator) should only be used to indicate where you are getting off the roundabout and (right indicator) if you intend to turn right past an exit .

 

I take note of the speed of the vehicle and look at what's happening with the front tyres, in other words where is the driver starting to point the car. The speed at which the vehicle enters the roundabout can be a good indication whether or not the driver is intending to turn or go straight through.





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  #2347631 2-Nov-2019 16:08
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Technofreak:

 

In my opinion indicators (left indicator) should only be used to indicate where you are getting off the roundabout and (right indicator) if you intend to turn right past an exit .

 

 

This is not even an opinion. It's how it's in the traffic rules.





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  #2347693 3-Nov-2019 06:34
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Technofreak: In my opinion indicators (left indicator) should only be used to indicate where you are getting off the roundabout and (right indicator) if you intend to turn right past an exit.

 

This is not even an opinion. It's how it's in the traffic rules. 

 

At a classic + style roundabout:
- if you're turning left (first exit), indicate left
- if you're going straight ahead (second exit), indicate left as you're passing the first exit
- if you're turning right (third exit), indicate right until you're passing the second exit - then indicate left

 

Depending on the actual configuration of the roundabout indication needs modifying to suit, but the above are the basic rules. It's not difficult and you have to learn it to pass your licence test. Unfortunately it's one of things that probably 90%+ of people, once they've obtained their full licence, decide to either forget, ignore or screw up. It's more a reflection on their abilities than anything else. Lots of people complain about this, yet many of them would be the same ones getting ticketed if the rules were actually enforced. Then they'd complain about 'revenue gathering'.


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  #2347703 3-Nov-2019 08:01
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Delphinus:

Had a moment this morning where I was stopped at a give way. Car approaching from the right indicating left and slowing down, starting to turn into the road I was coming out of. I checked left, lifted my foot off the brake to pull out and then suddenly the turning car is going straight through and not turning any more! The driver looked lost. Who would have been at fault there in the case of a collision?



If the other driver had been in a left turn lane he would have committed an offence if he carried on straight ahead. Your problem would be proving which lane he was in without other witnesses. I've been there. The insurance co held us both liable so at least he lost his no claim.

Newer cars with lane change indicators make roundabout indicating easier.

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  #2347708 3-Nov-2019 08:48
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Delphinus: Had a moment this morning where I was stopped at a give way. Car approaching from the right indicating left and slowing down, starting to turn into the road I was coming out of. I checked left, lifted my foot off the brake to pull out and then suddenly the turning car is going straight through and not turning any more! The driver looked lost. Who would have been at fault there in the case of a collision? 


If the other driver had been in a left turn lane he would have committed an offence if he carried on straight ahead. Your problem would be proving which lane he was in without other witnesses. I've been there. The insurance co held us both liable so at least he lost his no claim. 

 

Assuming a multi-lane road, that would've been failing to comply with a directional arrow. This happens a hell of a lot too. As you say though, proving it is the problem.

 

I roundabout I drive through reasonably regularly is pictured below. I've had a couple of situations where I'm proceeding as per the blue line I've drawn and other drivers have taken the red line then sounded their horn at me as if I'm in the wrong.

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2347775 3-Nov-2019 11:55
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Here is a classic confusion roundabout. As you can see there is an exit left BUT it is immediately after the roundabout where you start turning left just as you are exiting the roundabout.

 

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If you are coming from the top of the photo and NOT turning left but going straight ahead and as there is no first left exit ON the actual roundabout do you indicate ? If you do indicate but NOT going left then you are confusing the people behind you.

 

• You must also signal left as you pass the exit before the one you intend taking (including if you’re taking the straight ahead exit).





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  #2347779 3-Nov-2019 12:15
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FineWine:

 

Come to Tauranga and get nearly collected every time at roundabouts where; NOBODY slows down, NOBODY indicates their intentions and everybody couldn't give a flying F***.. It has got to the stage now where I will not enter a roundabout until it is empty, especially these piddly small roundabouts. Greerton and Parkvale are prime examples.

 

 

I was a passenger the other day. At one point I reached over and flicked the indicator on, since the driver wasn't bothering to!

 

Same driver that got done for going 120 down the TEL...


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  #2347797 3-Nov-2019 13:37
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FineWine: If you are coming from the top of the photo and NOT turning left but going straight ahead and as there is no first left exit ON the actual roundabout do you indicate?

 

That's a fugly intersection!! Personally I'd treat it similarly to a standard + roundabout. So, if I was going straight ahead (coming from the top of the photo) I'd be indicating left briefly once I got to about the 1/4 mark of the circle and making sure the indicator was off before I got to the actual left hand turn.


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the just announced 2 year extension to the already lengthy 5 year learner period is only going to lead to more muppets on the road.


another misfire for genter.


what sort of people come up with these policies ?


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  #2348557 5-Nov-2019 19:31
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the just announced 2 year extension to the already lengthy 5 year learner period is only going to lead to more muppets on the road.

 

 

 

another misfire for genter.

 

 

 

what sort of people come up with these policies ?

 

 

There are plenty of people out there who were pressured by family in to getting a license they no longer really use, or only use it with a work car and have no oppertunity to go for the full license test because they have none of their own.





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richms:

 

ilovemusic:

 

the just announced 2 year extension to the already lengthy 5 year learner period is only going to lead to more muppets on the road.

 

 

 

another misfire for genter.

 

 

 

what sort of people come up with these policies ?

 

 

There are plenty of people out there who were pressured by family in to getting a license they no longer really use, or only use it with a work car and have no oppertunity to go for the full license test because they have none of their own.

 

 

 

 

If that's the case then there is no need for an extension to the learner period. Five years is plenty long enough.





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  #2348656 5-Nov-2019 21:37
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ilovemusic: the just announced 2 year extension to the already lengthy 5 year learner period is only going to lead to more muppets on the road. 

 

Nah, the level will stay the same. Some of them will simply have a learners licence for a bit longer.


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  #2348669 5-Nov-2019 23:03
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richms:

 

ilovemusic:

 

the just announced 2 year extension to the already lengthy 5 year learner period is only going to lead to more muppets on the road.

 

 

 

another misfire for genter.

 

 

 

what sort of people come up with these policies ?

 

 

There are plenty of people out there who were pressured by family in to getting a license they no longer really use, or only use it with a work car and have no oppertunity to go for the full license test because they have none of their own.

 

 

 

 

What sane employer would allow a staff member without a full licence to drive a work vehicle?

 

 

 

A learner should not be allowed anywhere unaccompanied in my view. If you want to drive, get a proper licence. If not, take the bus and cancel your licence.






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