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  #1960025 18-Feb-2018 18:10
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A critique of the Navigant report

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/9024/who-is-really-1-in-self-driving-cars-you-wouldnt-know-it-from-navigants-controversial-report

"Who Is Really #1 In Self-Driving Cars?`

Navigant's controversial report doesn't use enough criteria."

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"By making technology only 1/10th of any given player’s score, numerous car manufacturers outrank even the most advanced Silicon Valley players, and would do so even if the formers’ R&D budgets dropped to zero.

Two missing criteria? Government relations and data."


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  #1960063 18-Feb-2018 20:51
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spencer: There is some experimental evidence that just a few autonomous cars can improve traffic flow. What an amazing result.

 

It's funny how we are our own worst enemies really.

 

I drive down a road with 13 speed bumps on my way to work. Twice a day, ten times a week. I know that I can take the speed bumps at 40kph and that the best way to drive this road is just a constant 40kph, even between speed bumps.

 

Unfortunately a lot of people are clueless and will speed up and them absolutely slam the anchors on and crawl over the speed bumps at 15kph before speeding up to 50kph again for a very brief period.

 

Terrible driving, terrible fuel consumption. Apply to the rest of the driving and they are the reason why traffic gets bad.


 
 
 
 


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  #1960111 19-Feb-2018 07:27
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going out on a limb here... i think the chief tech officer the government is currently trying to recruit may have this topic in their PD. 

 

Afterall, any driverless car will need to have NZ legislation updated to be used in NZ (and of course everything else associated and affected by driverless vehicles e.g. road rules, insurances, WOF standards/procedures etc etc). 

 

 

 

So the real question is, how far away is the government from releasing a draft 'working doc'. 

 

 

 

 


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  #1960119 19-Feb-2018 08:31
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"Autonomous cars without human drivers will be allowed on California roads"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/11/16458850/self-driving-car-california-dmv-regulations

"The California Department of Motor Vehicles will allow autonomous cars without steering wheels, foot pedals, mirrors, and human drivers behind the wheel to be tested on its roads

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Congress is considering increasing federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) exemption caps from 2,500 to 100,000 — which is a wonky way of saying that it would allow automakers and tech firms to test (and eventually deploy) tens of thousands autonomous vehicles without components designed with humans in mind and required by federal safety standards"

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  #1960179 19-Feb-2018 10:02
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I suppose in answer to OP, depending on how old your kids are they may not ever need to learn to drive.


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  #1960211 19-Feb-2018 10:49
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bmt:

 

I drive down a road with 13 speed bumps on my way to work. Twice a day, ten times a week. I know that I can take the speed bumps at 40kph and that the best way to drive this road is just a constant 40kph, even between speed bumps.

 

Unfortunately a lot of people are clueless and will speed up and them absolutely slam the anchors on and crawl over the speed bumps at 15kph before speeding up to 50kph again for a very brief period.

 

Terrible driving, terrible fuel consumption. Apply to the rest of the driving and they are the reason why traffic gets bad.

 

 

The speed bumps could be seen as the primary problem in that scenario.





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  #1966742 1-Mar-2018 19:13
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  #1980347 20-Mar-2018 09:26
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I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #1980367 20-Mar-2018 09:46
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Rikkitic:

 

Pedestrian killed by self-driving car.

 

 

Saw that. Clearly the car has been severely tested, so the public needs to know the issue, as the car is supposed to avoid obstacles, or alert the human. Its a pretty hard way to fine tune a self drive car. On the surface, its a very bad fail to not see an obstacle, that's the whole point of self drive, they do it better than humans

 

 

 

I could be wrong but it seems that testing these has become quite common, so surely before they hit public roads, the tests to date were exhaustive? I see on that article one place tested them without authority to do so. 


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  #1980388 20-Mar-2018 10:15
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A bigger concern, is that some reports have stated there was a safety driver in the car as well, obviously this all happened very quickly, or they weren't pay attention.


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  #1980413 20-Mar-2018 10:42
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In some circumstances pedestrians move in a way that neither man nor machine can avoid.

 

In this tragedy the person killed is reported to have been pushing a bike across the street, near a major intersection.

 

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/uber-self-driving-car-hits-and-kills-pedestrian/

 

 





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  #1980422 20-Mar-2018 10:55
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This report, says "bicyclist" and clearly shows bike wreckage

 

https://sharing.kgun9.com/shareknxv/photo/2018/03/19/poster_9a81719b494548d9a5bf094b2b006940_81457909_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

 

https://www.kgun9.com/news/tempe-police-investigating-self-driving-uber-car-involved-in-deadly-crash-overnight

 

The location appears to be here

 

https://goo.gl/maps/rufLK1nyniA2

 

Hopefully the NTSB and Uber make all the data from this public so it is clear exactly what happened,


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  #1980552 20-Mar-2018 15:21
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Given the choice of crossing the street in front of either an Uber or Waymo self-driving car.. I know which one I'd choose.


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  #1980594 20-Mar-2018 16:47
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Self-driving cars will never be perfect. Just like flying the latest Airbus isn't perfectly safe.

When you see the general carnage created by cars, it just needs to be better than humans.

We have an aging society; we need self-driving cars.

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  #1980677 20-Mar-2018 19:45
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kingdragonfly:
We have an aging society; we need self-driving cars.

 

An interesting conjugation. The stats are quite clear that it is young people who have a much higher accident rate than old people. So an aging society will become safer on the roads.

 

 


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