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Dinga96
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  #2095153 23-Sep-2018 16:21
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I am not sure about the map situation Justin .There is  Plugshare and ChargeNet Apps for your smart phone .This is something that you would not expect to happen under normal car ownership and you only find out after you have ordered the vehicle.I would say its just a software update and it seems to be the norm now days.I waited around six months for my plug on my i3 to be upgraded to the new ccs standard.Its kind of funny now when I go to the lakes shopping centre in Tauranga I can not use the old plugs for a free ac charge as they have not changed them over to ccs2.


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morrisk
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  #2095159 23-Sep-2018 16:37
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If you are using CarPlay then you can just ask for Apple Maps to find you the nearest car charger using the Siri speech button on the steering wheel - this will bring up the nearest ChargeNet location(s). It isn't completely up to data as it doesn't find the chargers that have been added recently but finds all those that have been around for a while. Also works with Google maps that now also appear in CarPlay but not by using the steering wheel speech button - you need to activate the speech input by selecting button on the screen.


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  #2095174 23-Sep-2018 17:27
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morrisk:

 

If you are using CarPlay then you can just ask for Apple Maps to find you the nearest car charger using the Siri speech button on the steering wheel - this will bring up the nearest ChargeNet location(s). It isn't completely up to data as it doesn't find the chargers that have been added recently but finds all those that have been around for a while. Also works with Google maps that now also appear in CarPlay but not by using the steering wheel speech button - you need to activate the speech input by selecting button on the screen.

 

 

I guess that, even if you do have a dedicated Sat Nav application in your vehicle, it still needs to be updated regularly to keep up with map changes and ChargeNet changes etc.

 

So, is it important to have dedicated Sat Nav in your vehicle if it also has Apple Car Play and Android Auto? I suppose a dedicated system may not lose signal as easily as a mobile phone, but are there many other advantages?

 

I read somewhere that NZ's allocation of electric Konas is based on Irish specifications, so perhaps that's why NZ maps haven't been developed yet?

 

For example, it says here, that:

 

Is this the price for being an extra-early international market adopter? To the point where we’ve had – as with Ioniq – to share cars kitted for Ireland, hence the ‘wrong’ side wiper and indicator wands.

 

One supposes that might have a bit to do with it, but perhaps not. We’re told that once Australia begins sale next year, we will switch to their models, which reconciles the European idiosyncrasies but won’t otherwise alter the spec or favourably alter the stickers.




morrisk
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  #2095182 23-Sep-2018 18:18
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It is in these areas that the difference between Tesla and traditional car makers is stark - I have no expectation that Hyundai will be making any particular effort to provide the maps in NZ - just as they are not forthcoming with updates to the other car firmware and software. Tesla have a different approach with their OTA updates that reflects the fact that they have approached building an EV from scratch.

 

I am really sold on my Hyundai Ioniq and love driving it but in terms of s/w it is a long way from what you see with Tesla.


justin5
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  #2095196 23-Sep-2018 18:49
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Dinga96:

 

I am not sure about the map situation Justin .There is  Plugshare and ChargeNet Apps for your smart phone .This is something that you would not expect to happen under normal car ownership and you only find out after you have ordered the vehicle.I would say its just a software update and it seems to be the norm now days.I waited around six months for my plug on my i3 to be upgraded to the new ccs standard.Its kind of funny now when I go to the lakes shopping centre in Tauranga I can not use the old plugs for a free ac charge as they have not changed them over to ccs2.

 

 

 

 

I am hoping it is just a software update once the maps are available...I am about to pay a premium well over and above a standard fossil-burning Hyundai Kona, so I'd like to think the maps might be made workable later....just like your i3's plug update. 

 

 

 

It might not happenovernight, but it will happen....hopefully.


justin5
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  #2095199 23-Sep-2018 18:55
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morrisk:

 

If you are using CarPlay then you can just ask for Apple Maps to find you the nearest car charger using the Siri speech button on the steering wheel - this will bring up the nearest ChargeNet location(s). It isn't completely up to data as it doesn't find the chargers that have been added recently but finds all those that have been around for a while. Also works with Google maps that now also appear in CarPlay but not by using the steering wheel speech button - you need to activate the speech input by selecting button on the screen.

 

 

 

 

Thank you, morrisk, for your guidance in using Siri via the steering wheel to find ChargeNet locations. That is excellently simple, though does reqjuire my phone to be plugged in to the car.

 

Sometimes (as I know with my current car) it can be convenient to use the car's own mapping rather than my iPhone. That might come down to always plugging my phone in to my Kona, though that's not always convenient.


morrisk
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  #2095200 23-Sep-2018 19:03
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Yes I have gotten into the habit of plugging my phone in when I get into the car - downside is that I often get out the car and forget to unplug and take my phone with me! CarPlay has a wireless version available but this is not able to be used in the Ioniq but would  mean I wouldn't be forgetting the phone when I leave the car. Like to think that they would update whatever in the car's s/w or firmware to be able to use this but this is the sort of thing that you see and expect happening with Tesla but I don't hold out hope for it happening with Hyundai.

 

 

 

 




justin5
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  #2095202 23-Sep-2018 19:05
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frednz:

 

morrisk:

 

If you are using CarPlay then you can just ask for Apple Maps to find you the nearest car charger using the Siri speech button on the steering wheel - this will bring up the nearest ChargeNet location(s). It isn't completely up to data as it doesn't find the chargers that have been added recently but finds all those that have been around for a while. Also works with Google maps that now also appear in CarPlay but not by using the steering wheel speech button - you need to activate the speech input by selecting button on the screen.

 

 

I guess that, even if you do have a dedicated Sat Nav application in your vehicle, it still needs to be updated regularly to keep up with map changes and ChargeNet changes etc.

 

So, is it important to have dedicated Sat Nav in your vehicle if it also has Apple Car Play and Android Auto? I suppose a dedicated system may not lose signal as easily as a mobile phone, but are there many other advantages?

 

I read somewhere that NZ's allocation of electric Konas is based on Irish specifications, so perhaps that's why NZ maps haven't been developed yet?

 

For example, it says here, that:

 

Is this the price for being an extra-early international market adopter? To the point where we’ve had – as with Ioniq – to share cars kitted for Ireland, hence the ‘wrong’ side wiper and indicator wands.

 

One supposes that might have a bit to do with it, but perhaps not. We’re told that once Australia begins sale next year, we will switch to their models, which reconciles the European idiosyncrasies but won’t otherwise alter the spec or favourably alter the stickers.

 

 

frednz...you are right that, even if you have a dedicated satnav in a vehicle, they need to be updated.

 

I have a friend with a Hyundai Santa Fe with satnav that advises of traffic problems LIVE....so her maps seem to be updated constantly (there may be a 2 year subscription for this, from what she has told me, though). It seems possible her maps can be kept updated ... maybe not ChargeNet updates, though.

 

I know that, with my current car, I am far more likely to reach for my car's GPS maps than my phones in many situations as I don't have to plug my phone in to the car (Apple CarPlay reqjuires a phone to be plugged in).

 

You are right in understanding that NZ's allocation of Kona EVs are Irish specced at this stage...with OZ beginning to sell Ioniq and Kona soon-ish, mapping for OZ/NZ might become available...but will the Irish specced versions be updateable? 

 

 


justin5
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  #2095204 23-Sep-2018 19:08
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morrisk:

 

It is in these areas that the difference between Tesla and traditional car makers is stark - I have no expectation that Hyundai will be making any particular effort to provide the maps in NZ - just as they are not forthcoming with updates to the other car firmware and software. Tesla have a different approach with their OTA updates that reflects the fact that they have approached building an EV from scratch.

 

I am really sold on my Hyundai Ioniq and love driving it but in terms of s/w it is a long way from what you see with Tesla.

 

 

 

 

I hope Hyundai NZ will try to be as good as Tesla is with their OTA updates...my fingers are crossed for the future, though your Ioniq experience suggests otherwise :-/


justin5
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  #2095213 23-Sep-2018 19:16
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morrisk:

 

Yes I have gotten into the habit of plugging my phone in when I get into the car - downside is that I often get out the car and forget to unplug and take my phone with me! CarPlay has a wireless version available but this is not able to be used in the Ioniq but would  mean I wouldn't be forgetting the phone when I leave the car. Like to think that they would update whatever in the car's s/w or firmware to be able to use this but this is the sort of thing that you see and expect happening with Tesla but I don't hold out hope for it happening with Hyundai.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My Kona comes with wireless charging for my iPhone....but not, I understand, wireless CarPlay (like your Ioniq).

 

The wireless charging is great....except I will need to plug the phone in to a USB port to use CarPlay mapping anyway!

 

The difference between a Hyundai (Kona and Ioniq) and a Tesla? Tesla does not support CarPlay or Android Auto, so you rely entirely on Tesla uopdating maps.

 

But then, at least Tesla have maps built-in to their cars in NZ.


morrisk
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  #2095215 23-Sep-2018 19:41
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The Ioniq doesn't have wireless CarPlay either - I just hope that it may come one day without having to buy a new car.

 

There is the wireless charging but as you say if you have your phone plugged in it is of not particular use unless your passenger wants to charge their phone wirelessly.

 

CarPlay does have the benefits of access to the music on your phone as well as using Spotify and also texts come though and are read to you and you can just dictate a reply.

 

 


justin5
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  #2095227 23-Sep-2018 20:14
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morrisk:

 

Yes I have gotten into the habit of plugging my phone in when I get into the car - downside is that I often get out the car and forget to unplug and take my phone with me! CarPlay has a wireless version available but this is not able to be used in the Ioniq but would  mean I wouldn't be forgetting the phone when I leave the car. Like to think that they would update whatever in the car's s/w or firmware to be able to use this but this is the sort of thing that you see and expect happening with Tesla but I don't hold out hope for it happening with Hyundai.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If CarPlay was updateable to wireless in my Hyundai Kona, then GPS in-car maps become largely obsolete....as that is not likely, I do WANT in-car GPS maps to be active in my Kona.


justin5
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  #2095229 23-Sep-2018 20:17
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morrisk:

 

The Ioniq doesn't have wireless CarPlay either - I just hope that it may come one day without having to buy a new car.

 

There is the wireless charging but as you say if you have your phone plugged in it is of not particular use unless your passenger wants to charge their phone wirelessly.

 

CarPlay does have the benefits of access to the music on your phone as well as using Spotify and also texts come though and are read to you and you can just dictate a reply.

 

 

 

 

 

 

CarPlay benefits are great....but only fully great if they were wirelessly capable via my Kona's wireless phone charger.


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  #2098731 30-Sep-2018 13:14
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I see Kia are planning to launch the Niro EV in March, which looks like it will have the same mechanicals as the Kona EV. I'm guessing that the Niro will be priced a bit cheaper than the Kona which often tends to be the case when comparing Kia vs Hyundai products, and also demand may taper off a bit when all the serious early adopters have had their Konas delivered.

 

With natural price decreases and a likely government incentive we're probably not too far away from a point where an EV is only $20k more expensive than a combustion engine equivalent. If you can save $1k a year on fuel then that's not a bad return on that $20k capital outlay.

 

However, you still have to factor in the cost of having a fast charger installed at home. How much does that typically cost? I would need to hope that my body corporate would let me install one in my car park.


GV27
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  #2098742 30-Sep-2018 14:05
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alasta:

 

However, you still have to factor in the cost of having a fast charger installed at home. How much does that typically cost? I would need to hope that my body corporate would let me install one in my car park.

 

 

My understanding is this is less of an issue in NZ due to our adoption of 240V vs the American 120V standards, but extension cords don't play well with EVSE chargers so you'd need to plug directly into the wall?

 

 

 

I'm curious about this myself as I don't have a garage to charge an EV in, so I'd need to get something installed in our carport, but I have to figure out whether to get a dedicated charger or just a caravan plug installed; and whether it needs to be wired into a separate RCD to the rest of the house. 


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