Hyundai Kona Electric - 64 kWh with range up to 470km coming later this year

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#2114552 26-Oct-2018 17:01

Different strokes I guess. Maps are a small part of using Carplay for me. Mostly it's about having voice command access to messaging/calling/podcasts/music/audiobooks and maps. I don't see an issue with leaving a cable plugged into the car and just connecting/disconnecting when you get in/out. My previous car, the iX35, came with a free lightning cable just to leave in the car for this purpose.

Sure, if you're not a big phone user and it lives in your back rather than your pocket I can see that wouldn't be an attractive prospect. I've always had my phone connected in my car, even when i didn't have a head unit for it to play through. Driving is one of the best opportunities for me to charge my phone which is why I've always connected it the moment I get in.

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#2114564 26-Oct-2018 17:29

gehenna:

Different strokes I guess. Maps are a small part of using Carplay for me. Mostly it's about having voice command access to messaging/calling/podcasts/music/audiobooks and maps. I don't see an issue with leaving a cable plugged into the car and just connecting/disconnecting when you get in/out. My previous car, the iX35, came with a free lightning cable just to leave in the car for this purpose.

Sure, if you're not a big phone user and it lives in your back rather than your pocket I can see that wouldn't be an attractive prospect. I've always had my phone connected in my car, even when i didn't have a head unit for it to play through. Driving is one of the best opportunities for me to charge my phone which is why I've always connected it the moment I get in.

Yes indeed, different strokes.

Another reason I like to keep my phone away in my bag for commutes is so I am not tempted to stare at it while driving....not that anyone does that in Auckland traffic haha! Afterall, it's illegal :-o

Buying an NZ new car with maps/nav that don't work does feel a little bit like buying a second hand Japanese import...and that's why this Virgo/perfectionist has always previously bought NZ new (to my great expense). Buttons and functions that don't work can drive me a little mad :-/

Call me sad hehe ;-)

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#2114571 26-Oct-2018 17:50

justin5:

Another reason I like to keep my phone away in my bag for commutes is so I am not tempted to stare at it while driving....not that anyone does that in Auckland traffic haha! Afterall, it's illegal

Another reason Carplay is super effective. It projects apps to the display, but doesn't let you "interact" with them per se. Messages will show up in a list. Tap one, and Siri reads it to you. Your contacts show in a list. Tap one, Siri asks you what you want to say, you dictate, she sends. The only apps that really have any interactivity are the audio ones, and even then they are limited to playlists and new things. It's basically a way to control the apps you might want to use in the car quickly and easily without taking your eyes off the road. Whether that's wireless Carplay or Wired makes no nevermind if it's not a functionality you think you'll use in the first place. This tech turns your phone into a useful driving tool, rather than a distraction. It's not perfect, by any means, but it's still better than trying to do things with your handset while driving, as you say.

(Pretty sure everything I've said applies to Android Auto too, at least it did when I had my S9+ and used AA in the car.

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#2114621 26-Oct-2018 18:52

gehenna:

justin5:

Another reason I like to keep my phone away in my bag for commutes is so I am not tempted to stare at it while driving....not that anyone does that in Auckland traffic haha! Afterall, it's illegal

Another reason Carplay is super effective. It projects apps to the display, but doesn't let you "interact" with them per se. Messages will show up in a list. Tap one, and Siri reads it to you. Your contacts show in a list. Tap one, Siri asks you what you want to say, you dictate, she sends. The only apps that really have any interactivity are the audio ones, and even then they are limited to playlists and new things. It's basically a way to control the apps you might want to use in the car quickly and easily without taking your eyes off the road. Whether that's wireless Carplay or Wired makes no nevermind if it's not a functionality you think you'll use in the first place. This tech turns your phone into a useful driving tool, rather than a distraction. It's not perfect, by any means, but it's still better than trying to do things with your handset while driving, as you say.

(Pretty sure everything I've said applies to Android Auto too, at least it did when I had my S9+ and used AA in the car.

The point at issue here is not whether Android Auto or Apple Car Play are excellent navigation tools, it's simply that an advertised piece of electronics in the specifications, i.e. built-in NZ satnav, has not been included in the Hyundai Kona EVs delivered in NZ to date.

A consumer has the right to choose a vehicle based on his or her preferences, not those of other people. And in this case, the Kona EV doesn't yet have what I would prefer, which is built-in NZ satnav. I don't need to be lectured to that I should really prefer Android Auto, I simply want the electronics that the manufacturer says will be present!

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#2114628 26-Oct-2018 19:10

frednz:

gehenna:

justin5:

Another reason I like to keep my phone away in my bag for commutes is so I am not tempted to stare at it while driving....not that anyone does that in Auckland traffic haha! Afterall, it's illegal

Another reason Carplay is super effective. It projects apps to the display, but doesn't let you "interact" with them per se. Messages will show up in a list. Tap one, and Siri reads it to you. Your contacts show in a list. Tap one, Siri asks you what you want to say, you dictate, she sends. The only apps that really have any interactivity are the audio ones, and even then they are limited to playlists and new things. It's basically a way to control the apps you might want to use in the car quickly and easily without taking your eyes off the road. Whether that's wireless Carplay or Wired makes no nevermind if it's not a functionality you think you'll use in the first place. This tech turns your phone into a useful driving tool, rather than a distraction. It's not perfect, by any means, but it's still better than trying to do things with your handset while driving, as you say.

(Pretty sure everything I've said applies to Android Auto too, at least it did when I had my S9+ and used AA in the car.

The point at issue here is not whether Android Auto or Apple Car Play are excellent navigation tools, it's simply that an advertised piece of electronics in the specifications, i.e. built-in NZ satnav, has not been included in the Hyundai Kona EVs delivered in NZ to date.

A consumer has the right to choose a vehicle based on his or her preferences, not those of other people. And in this case, the Kona EV doesn't yet have what I would prefer, which is built-in NZ satnav. I don't need to be lectured to that I should really prefer Android Auto, I simply want the electronics that the manufacturer says will be present!

I don't recall Hyundai NZ (in their defence) ever saying or displaying in advertising that NZ maps/nav would be available in a Kona Electric, but I am surprised that the hardware does not seem to be updateable with software.

I admire that you will hold out for NZ maps/nav on a Kona EV when that becomes available....I have asked if people like you will pay a higher price for your more fully functioning Kona than me as an early adopter/buyer. They don't know, though....so, possibly not? ;-)

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#2114669 26-Oct-2018 19:45

There have been rumours swirling around for a while that Apple would like to eventually get rid of the lightning port in favour of a port-free iPhone. I guess they won't be able to do that for quite a few years, otherwise they will piss off a lot of people who need to be able to plug their phones in for CarPlay.

Back on topic, I only use sat nav once in a blue moon so I wouldn't mind plugging my phone in for that if my vehicle didn't have it natively. I wouldn't have thought that there would be many people who would drive in unfamiliar places on a regular basis.

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#2114671 26-Oct-2018 19:51

alasta:

There have been rumours swirling around for a while that Apple would like to eventually get rid of the lightning port in favour of a port-free iPhone. I guess they won't be able to do that for quite a few years, otherwise they will piss off a lot of people who need to be able to plug their phones in for CarPlay.

Back on topic, I only use sat nav once in a blue moon so I wouldn't mind plugging my phone in for that if my vehicle didn't have it natively. I wouldn't have thought that there would be many people who would drive in unfamiliar places on a regular basis.

I find, in Auckland, I need maps more often than I think to plug my phone in to my car...catch 22, maybe? Plug it in every time I get in my car...or, not....

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#2114702 26-Oct-2018 21:10

@Frednz just because your point wasn't responded to, doesn't mean there weren't other comments to which my responses were relevant. You're referring to your point at issue, not mine.

Regardless, it could just be that another model of the Kona EV will have NZ maps. They're only shipping one model here at the moment aren't they? My Kona Elite doesn't have an integrated navigation system, however the Standard and Limited Kona do have integrated navigation (but conversely don't have Carplay or Android Auto).

So like all things with this vehicle that's been super slow to eventuate in NZ, details are still shady.

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#2114703 26-Oct-2018 21:12

alasta:

I wouldn't have thought that there would be many people who would drive in unfamiliar places on a regular basis.

True, but I launch Google Maps every time I drive.... not to find my way somewhere, but to see live traffic conditions on my route.

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#2114771 27-Oct-2018 08:58

Frednz:

No, not at all, I wouldn't be happy paying $80,000 for a NZ-new vehicle that's advertised as having its own built-in navigation system, which isn't actually being provided. I just can't understand why Hyundai NZ would retail an Irish specd Kona here which may not be able to use NZ maps at all. I suppose it's better to wait until the Australian specd Kona arrives here, but I'm not sure what the release date for that is?

You would think that Hyundai NZ could issue a statement about this issue and say definitively whether or not the Irish specd Kona can in fact be upgraded so that it can display NZ maps.

That, combined with the fact that an announcement on NZ EV incentives still hasn't been made, might slow down orders for the Kona somewhat, which has apparently sold about 40 units so far, which isn't bad considering its very high price.

If you want a Kona today, it's probably overflow from the Irish allotment. :-)

But an Aussie-specced Kona?

Australia is way behind NZ for EVs and chargers. I've been over there a lot the past year.....and it's like 5 years ago in NZ for EVs other than Tesla. You can't buy them. You couldn't import them used (though that is changing now).

The Bridges / Ross mess may have slowed down some policy announcements. Who's going to waste the opportunity for good policy coverage in the midst of a mess like that? :-)

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#2114772 27-Oct-2018 09:01

justin5:

Another reason I like to keep my phone away in my bag for commutes is so I am not tempted to stare at it while driving....not that anyone does that in Auckland traffic haha! Afterall, it's illegal :-o

In my own car, I use an air-vent phone mount. The map is always visible. I don't have to touch the phone. I can talk to it and ask it to Naivigate to here or there. Android Carplay integrates that into the car if it has a mic on the steering wheel.

I was driving a YooGo Share rented Hyundai IONIQ in Christchurch for several days recently and just spoke the instructions as required. The actual phone was upside down in a cup holder.

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#2114777 27-Oct-2018 09:19

gehenna:

alasta:

I wouldn't have thought that there would be many people who would drive in unfamiliar places on a regular basis.

True, but I launch Google Maps every time I drive.... not to find my way somewhere, but to see live traffic conditions on my route.

I agree with this - maps without live traffic in Auckland are useless, because the quickest route assuming no traffic (which is what your car gives you) is often not the quickest route. And when you run into the traffic jam, you can't (legally) pull out your phone and work out a reroute.

Personally I'd never buy another car without android auto / apple carplay, or the ability to swap out the head unit for one that has.

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#2114791 27-Oct-2018 09:39

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gehenna:

alasta:

I wouldn't have thought that there would be many people who would drive in unfamiliar places on a regular basis.

True, but I launch Google Maps every time I drive.... not to find my way somewhere, but to see live traffic conditions on my route.

I agree with this - maps without live traffic in Auckland are useless, because the quickest route assuming no traffic (which is what your car gives you) is often not the quickest route. And when you run into the traffic jam, you can't (legally) pull out your phone and work out a reroute.

Personally I'd never buy another car without android auto / apple carplay, or the ability to swap out the head unit for one that has.

I have a friend who has a Hyundai Santa Fe - two years old - that she has told me has live traffic updates in it's inbuilt satnav.

I think she said it is a subscription based system, though...but it is free for her for now.

I agree though that, in general, most satnav units aren't that sophiticated so aren't going to help with live traffic updates.

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#2114795 27-Oct-2018 09:57

justin5:

I have a friend who has a Hyundai Santa Fe - two years old - that she has told me has live traffic updates in it's inbuilt satnav.

I think she said it is a subscription based system, though...but it is free for her for now.

I agree though that, in general, most satnav units aren't that sophiticated so aren't going to help with live traffic updates.

My three year old Mazda3 supposedly has live traffic on the native satnav but it's useless because the internet connectivity via my phone doesn't work. It's one of a few things that has made me gradually get increasingly annoyed with the vehicle over the time that I have owned it.

I don't intend to pay $600 to have CarPlay retrofitted to this vehicle, but I will make sure that my next vehicle has it because on rare occasions when I need maps I would much rather have them from my phone than the vehicle's satnav. At this stage the Hyundai Ioniq hybrid is looking like my preferred option for an eventual replacement.

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#2114810 27-Oct-2018 10:06

I suppose the difference between an integrated navigation unit with live traffic, and AA or CP is that the latter two have their own Location Services ecosystem on all their devices that people use and have on them when travelling. I think Google Maps traffic comes from Android phones and iPhones with background location services turned on. So the more people that are in a certain area with their phones that are not moving far, the redder the lines become on the map etc.

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