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frednz

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  #2216065 12-Apr-2019 21:32
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justin5:

 

frednz:

 

That's OK, as it turns out people who have already taken delivery of their 64 kWh Kona EVs have done well because the prices have recently been increased!

 

The "entry level" 64 kWh Konas are now $78,000 and the Elite Model is $84,000, so roll on Govt. EV purchase incentives!

 

So, the elite model has increased in price by $4,000, I wonder why this was necessary?

 

Delivery times don't seem to have improved much from what I can tell, you need to allow at least 6 months.

 

 

 

 

Wow....I could maybe sell my 5 month old Elite for as much as I bought it for!?!?

 

But then, it's too good a car to do that (so far, anyway). I just got 2 weeks of Auckland city driving from a 100% charge down to 19%.

 

Hmmmm...with that price increase, maybe the $4600+GST is an OK price to pay for NZ Nav/Maps to be added to my Elite! If only they could guarantee that it would work, though....

 

As they said: "We still cannot confirm (it) will work as it is untested."

 

 

Well, if you could sell your Elite for as much as you bought it for, I would put your name down now for a new one which has NZ Nav/Maps etc. and trade in your "old" Elite against it. That would probably be better than paying $4,600 + GST for a system that is "untested" and you would end up with a brand new car!

 

There is now a new thread about the Kia Niro EV and this seems better in some ways than the Kona EV, but it doesn't have built-in NZ Nav/Maps either! How do you think the Niro EV compares with the Kona EV? It looks like Kia buyers will just have to get used to Android Auto or Apple Car Play!


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  #2216310 13-Apr-2019 08:35
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How did you find out about the price increase @frednz?

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  #2216321 13-Apr-2019 09:24
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paulchinnz: How did you find out about the price increase @frednz?

 

Hi Paul, a reliable dealer told a friend about it.




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  #2216372 13-Apr-2019 10:33
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To be honest I'm not surprised at the price increase given the level of demand. They could probably increase it a lot more and still have a long waiting list!


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  #2216412 13-Apr-2019 12:00
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justin5:

KiwiME:


Only US$500 increase in the competitive US market and enough for this company to drop its recommendation.  Mere pocket change for us.  We really do get screwed in the global market ...


https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/hyundai-raises-kona-ev-prices-up-to-500


 


But there are plenty of demo kms, therefore discountable base model Konas on dealer's lots here, and they're not moving very quickly.


I have seen two new base model cars in Napier with corporate markings, one Genesis and one Ravensdown.  The base model is easy to distinguish by the stick-type radio antenna. 


 


Meanwhile, I'm quite concerned about charger pricing that has a per-minute component.  In Napier it's still $0.40/unit only, but just about everywhere else it's $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute, which makes charging stupidly expensive.


With RUCs potentially looming our government needs to wake up if EV momentum is to be maintained.  It's hard enough paying twice as much up front and I expect significant compensation in operating costs, especially if carbon-intensive industries are still receiving subsidies.  Full points to Wel Networks and Countdown in Hamilton for providing (so far) free charging.



 


I agree about the $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute charging cost. Compared to the flat-rate $0.40/unit at other chargers, it is certainly quite a bit more expensive.


I suspect that the differences in fast-charger costs are down to where they are sited and the agreement made with landowners.


Thankfully, 90% of the time I charge at home, though :-) 


 



Charge net deliberately have a per minute charge to encourage people to charge to say 80% and move on because more people can use the chargers as the last 20% charges slowly. More people with large charge rather than few people with maximal charge.

So add a time component and people will charge to what they need rather than maximising charge. I think this is a better system than flat rate.

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  #2216413 13-Apr-2019 12:00
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justin5:

KiwiME:


Only US$500 increase in the competitive US market and enough for this company to drop its recommendation.  Mere pocket change for us.  We really do get screwed in the global market ...


https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/hyundai-raises-kona-ev-prices-up-to-500


 


But there are plenty of demo kms, therefore discountable base model Konas on dealer's lots here, and they're not moving very quickly.


I have seen two new base model cars in Napier with corporate markings, one Genesis and one Ravensdown.  The base model is easy to distinguish by the stick-type radio antenna. 


 


Meanwhile, I'm quite concerned about charger pricing that has a per-minute component.  In Napier it's still $0.40/unit only, but just about everywhere else it's $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute, which makes charging stupidly expensive.


With RUCs potentially looming our government needs to wake up if EV momentum is to be maintained.  It's hard enough paying twice as much up front and I expect significant compensation in operating costs, especially if carbon-intensive industries are still receiving subsidies.  Full points to Wel Networks and Countdown in Hamilton for providing (so far) free charging.



 


I agree about the $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute charging cost. Compared to the flat-rate $0.40/unit at other chargers, it is certainly quite a bit more expensive.


I suspect that the differences in fast-charger costs are down to where they are sited and the agreement made with landowners.


Thankfully, 90% of the time I charge at home, though :-) 


 



Charge net deliberately have a per minute charge to encourage people to charge to say 80% and move on because more people can use the chargers as the last 20% charges slowly. More people with large charge rather than few people with maximal charge.

So add a time component and people will charge to what they need rather than maximising charge. I think this is a better system than flat rate.

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  #2216530 13-Apr-2019 16:18
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afe66:
justin5:

 

KiwiME:

 

 

 

Only US$500 increase in the competitive US market and enough for this company to drop its recommendation.  Mere pocket change for us.  We really do get screwed in the global market ...

 

 

 

https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/hyundai-raises-kona-ev-prices-up-to-500

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But there are plenty of demo kms, therefore discountable base model Konas on dealer's lots here, and they're not moving very quickly.

 

 

 

I have seen two new base model cars in Napier with corporate markings, one Genesis and one Ravensdown.  The base model is easy to distinguish by the stick-type radio antenna. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, I'm quite concerned about charger pricing that has a per-minute component.  In Napier it's still $0.40/unit only, but just about everywhere else it's $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute, which makes charging stupidly expensive.

 

 

 

With RUCs potentially looming our government needs to wake up if EV momentum is to be maintained.  It's hard enough paying twice as much up front and I expect significant compensation in operating costs, especially if carbon-intensive industries are still receiving subsidies.  Full points to Wel Networks and Countdown in Hamilton for providing (so far) free charging.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree about the $0.25/unit plus $0.25/minute charging cost. Compared to the flat-rate $0.40/unit at other chargers, it is certainly quite a bit more expensive.

 

 

 

I suspect that the differences in fast-charger costs are down to where they are sited and the agreement made with landowners.

 

 

 

Thankfully, 90% of the time I charge at home, though :-) 

 

 

 

 

 



Charge net deliberately have a per minute charge to encourage people to charge to say 80% and move on because more people can use the chargers as the last 20% charges slowly. More people with large charge rather than few people with maximal charge.

So add a time component and people will charge to what they need rather than maximising charge. I think this is a better system than flat rate.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that it is a good way to get people to move on, but it is ChargeNet who use both types of charging for charging (how else could I word that! hehe).

 

I think it might be more down to what the landowners where the chargers are want...land rental, maybe?

 

 




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  #2216533 13-Apr-2019 16:22
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alasta:

 

To be honest I'm not surprised at the price increase given the level of demand. They could probably increase it a lot more and still have a long waiting list!

 

 

 

 

I dropped in to a Hyundai dealership today and can confirm the $4000 price rise.

 

It was also a chance for me to ask about new Kona Electric Elite's coming in with NZ maps/nav built-in...despite someone here (KiwiMe?) seeing one in the flesh with maps/nav working, the guy at the dealership I went to had no idea.

 

But then, he did say he would find out for me as I said I might be interested in trading in my "Irish" Elite for an OZ/NZ Elite with NAV ;-)

 

 


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  #2216535 13-Apr-2019 16:28
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frednz:

 

justin5:

 

frednz:

 

That's OK, as it turns out people who have already taken delivery of their 64 kWh Kona EVs have done well because the prices have recently been increased!

 

The "entry level" 64 kWh Konas are now $78,000 and the Elite Model is $84,000, so roll on Govt. EV purchase incentives!

 

So, the elite model has increased in price by $4,000, I wonder why this was necessary?

 

Delivery times don't seem to have improved much from what I can tell, you need to allow at least 6 months.

 

 

 

 

Wow....I could maybe sell my 5 month old Elite for as much as I bought it for!?!?

 

But then, it's too good a car to do that (so far, anyway). I just got 2 weeks of Auckland city driving from a 100% charge down to 19%.

 

Hmmmm...with that price increase, maybe the $4600+GST is an OK price to pay for NZ Nav/Maps to be added to my Elite! If only they could guarantee that it would work, though....

 

As they said: "We still cannot confirm (it) will work as it is untested."

 

 

Well, if you could sell your Elite for as much as you bought it for, I would put your name down now for a new one which has NZ Nav/Maps etc. and trade in your "old" Elite against it. That would probably be better than paying $4,600 + GST for a system that is "untested" and you would end up with a brand new car!

 

There is now a new thread about the Kia Niro EV and this seems better in some ways than the Kona EV, but it doesn't have built-in NZ Nav/Maps either! How do you think the Niro EV compares with the Kona EV? It looks like Kia buyers will just have to get used to Android Auto or Apple Car Play!

 

 

 

 

Selling my Elite privately could reach a price similar to what I paid, with the $4000 price rise of new ones (I went in to a dealership today and they confirmed that price rise). I am (possibly foolishly) considering putting a deposit down on an NZ Elite with NAV - once I can see what a difference it makes with the Heads Up Display. 6+ months wait would make my current Kona a one-year old.

 

I have joined the Kia Niro EV thread...thanks for the tip off. I like the Niro's more practical size and much better backseat leg room. I like Kia as a brand too. I don't like the looks of the Niro EV as much as the Kona EV, though. So, I remain a happy Kona owner (nice rhyme) ;-)

 

 

 

 


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  #2216941 14-Apr-2019 12:28
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justin5:

 

It was also a chance for me to ask about new Kona Electric Elite's coming in with NZ maps/nav built-in...despite someone here (KiwiMe?) seeing one in the flesh with maps/nav working, the guy at the dealership I went to had no idea.

 

 

I interrupted the "Leading the Charge" tour in the S.I. today to confirm that indeed the Kona (the white one I saw in Taupo with the reg "ION DRV") does have working NZ NAV.

 

The car looks great in black over white.

 

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  #2217010 14-Apr-2019 17:00
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KiwiME:

 

justin5:

 

It was also a chance for me to ask about new Kona Electric Elite's coming in with NZ maps/nav built-in...despite someone here (KiwiMe?) seeing one in the flesh with maps/nav working, the guy at the dealership I went to had no idea.

 

 

I interrupted the "Leading the Charge" tour in the S.I. today to confirm that indeed the Kona (the white one I saw in Taupo with the reg "ION DRV") does have working NZ NAV.

 

The car looks great in black over white.

 

Click to see full size

 

 

 

 

Amazing the Hyundai guy I talked to had no idea about NZ maps/nav...but sheepishly did know about the price increase.

 

I think I can tell that is an NZ one as the badging at the back is different...I friend sent me a pic last week of one with that badging layout with a very new M number plate. 

 

My "Irish" Kona Elite has a Hyundai badge on the left, then KONA with Elite underneath it....then Electric down the bottom right of the back hatch. Much messier than this  layout.

 

Thank you KiwiME for confirming that NZ maps/nav are indeed now here :-)


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  #2220470 18-Apr-2019 10:37
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justin5:

 

Thank you KiwiME for confirming that NZ maps/nav are indeed now here :-)

 

Justin, this might be "good" news for you ... I'm now questioning the accuracy of what I was told by LTC regarding factory NAV vs Airplay/A-Auto.  I noticed today that the Hyundai NZ website has been updated with technical details of the Kona EV and there is no mention of NAV.


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  #2220683 18-Apr-2019 15:52
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Now been told by an Ioniq driver he's seen working NAV on a new Elite ...


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  #2220784 18-Apr-2019 18:43
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KiwiME:

 

Now been told by an Ioniq driver he's seen working NAV on a new Elite ...

 

 

 

 

You're teasing me!

 

Letting me down easily, then building me up again ;-)


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  #2220790 18-Apr-2019 18:49
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So is it the NZ maps or some sort of separate unit? I'll ask around.

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