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  Reply # 2073806 15-Aug-2018 10:59
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Holy Mackeral! Just saw a review. NZ pricing is 75-85K. Are they insane!? Who is going to buy a small runabout for that kind of money?!

 

 


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  Reply # 2073809 15-Aug-2018 11:03
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Holy Mackeral! Just saw a review. NZ pricing is 75-85K. Are they insane!? Who is going to buy a small runabout for that kind of money?!

 

 

People who want a long range EV but don't have 120K to plonk down for a Tesla...


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2073810 15-Aug-2018 11:03
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Holy Mackeral! Just saw a review. NZ pricing is 75-85K. Are they insane!? Who is going to buy a small runabout for that kind of money?!


 



People who can't wait for a Model 3?

Batteries to give a 400 km range is where the big cost is.




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  Reply # 2073813 15-Aug-2018 11:08
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networkn:

 

Holy Mackeral! Just saw a review. NZ pricing is 75-85K. Are they insane!? Who is going to buy a small runabout for that kind of money?!

 

 

People who want a long range EV but don't have 120K to plonk down for a Tesla...

 

 

They are probably spending 40K over the the odds against the equivilent ICEV?

 

 




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  Reply # 2073816 15-Aug-2018 11:13
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wellygary:

 

networkn:

 

Holy Mackeral! Just saw a review. NZ pricing is 75-85K. Are they insane!? Who is going to buy a small runabout for that kind of money?!

 

 

People who want a long range EV but don't have 120K to plonk down for a Tesla...

 

 

Yes, that's the whole point, if you want a pure electric EV which has a range of 400km, there isn't much choice in NZ at the moment!

 

A friend of mine said to me that, just because you pay $80k for an electric version of the Hyundai Kona, it's still just a Kona and not a BMW, Mercedes, or Audi! He said, why not just pay $42k and get the petrol version of the Kona if all you want is a Kona!

 

For some reason, I don't regard a car as a status symbol, so I would prefer to have the 64 kWh pure electric Kona (in preference to petrol versions of a BMW, Mercedes or Audi etc) even if it is only a Kona!

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2073828 15-Aug-2018 11:27
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For some reason, I don't regard a car as a status symbol

 

 

Yes you do. Your fixation is simply on electric vs brand.

 

Different kind of "status".

 

 




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  Reply # 2073833 15-Aug-2018 11:36
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networkn:

 

frednz:

 

For some reason, I don't regard a car as a status symbol

 

 

Yes you do. Your fixation is simply on electric vs brand.

 

Different kind of "status".

 

 

 

 

Oh OK I hadn't though of that, yes I guess some people may regard owning a nice new long range EV as a status symbol because it represents the future and not the polluted past from owning petrol vehicles.

 

But, I could buy a new BMW i3 for around $75,000 - $95,000, but its pure electric range is only about 200km, so the Hyundai Kona is far and away the better bet if 400km range matters to you more than owning a BMW vehicle!


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networkn:

 

frednz:

 

For some reason, I don't regard a car as a status symbol

 

 

Yes you do. Your fixation is simply on electric vs brand.

 

Different kind of "status".

 

 

 

 

Oh OK I hadn't though of that, yes I guess some people may regard owning a nice new long range EV as a status symbol because it represents the future and not the polluted past from owning petrol vehicles.

 

But, I could buy a new BMW i3 for around $75,000 - $95,000, but its pure electric range is only about 200km, so the Hyundai Kona is far and away the better bet if 400km range matters to you more than owning a BMW vehicle!

 

 

That's by far the biggest reason people will plonk down 75K for the 64Kwh Kona, ( and the same will hold for the longer range Leaf next year)

 

 


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Ah OK I hadn't though of that, yes I guess some people may regard owning a nice new long range EV as a status symbol because it represents the future and not the polluted past from owning petrol vehicles.

 

But, I could buy a new BMW i3 for around $75,000 - $95,000, but its pure electric range is only about 200km, so the Hyundai Kona is far and away the better bet if 400km range matters to you more than owning a BMW vehicle!

 

 

Surely, you could take the extra 30-40K and reduce your environmental footprint more than with an electric car, if the environment is indeed your primary concern?

 

 


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The math on this boggles the mind... If you assume ~$2,000/year on just petrol costs then a $75,000 full EV Kona needs to work at full capacity for 16.5 years until you break even with the $42,000 ICE Kona.

 

Obviously there are additional charges like registration and maintenance but even being generous and saying the EV Kona only needs 10 years to break even with the ICE Kona what state will the battery bank be in? How much will it cost to replace such a large set of batteries? That will likely eclipse the entirety of the maintenance costs for the 10 year old ICE Kona. These things need to be $50-55,000, not $75,000+.


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The math on this boggles the mind... If you assume ~$2,000/year on just petrol costs then a $75,000 full EV Kona needs to work at full capacity for 16.5 years until you break even with the $42,000 ICE Kona.

 

Obviously there are additional charges like registration and maintenance but even being generous and saying the EV Kona only needs 10 years to break even with the ICE Kona what state will the battery bank be in? How much will it cost to replace such a large set of batteries? That will likely eclipse the entirety of the maintenance costs for the 10 year old ICE Kona. These things need to be $50-55,000, not $75,000+.

 

 

 

 

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You should not assume that petrol will stay the same price for 16 years.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2073909 15-Aug-2018 15:05
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You should not assume that petrol will stay the same price for 16 years.

 

 

How much would it need to rise by to invalidate the comment?

 

 




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networkn:

 

frednz:

 

Ah OK I hadn't though of that, yes I guess some people may regard owning a nice new long range EV as a status symbol because it represents the future and not the polluted past from owning petrol vehicles.

 

But, I could buy a new BMW i3 for around $75,000 - $95,000, but its pure electric range is only about 200km, so the Hyundai Kona is far and away the better bet if 400km range matters to you more than owning a BMW vehicle!

 

 

Surely, you could take the extra 30-40K and reduce your environmental footprint more than with an electric car, if the environment is indeed your primary concern?

 

 

 

 

The Government is encouraging as many people as possible to buy electric vehicles as part of their environmental policies. So, if some people are prepared to pay $80,000 for a 64 kWh elite Hyundai Kona, then this is a good thing because their Konas are likely to be sold within a few years at a considerably reduced price, which means that they may then be more attractive to a wider group of buyers.

 

So, even though new EVs are very expensive at the moment, we should encourage as many people to buy them as possible, rather than to continue investing in petrol vehicles (which are harmful to the environment), merely because they are cheaper than EVs.


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Debating weather or not the price of a new EV is too high or not is like debating weather LCD's are were too expensive in 2005 and if you should buy a CRT. Of course they are, but all new tech stuff is. That isn't to say the ICE/CRT is better than the EV/LCD, it just means an upgrade isn't affordable for everyone quite yet. In 13 years time people look at this thread will be laughing.

 

The price will come down once mass manufacture ramps up and soon there won't be any debate just as the price dropped and there is no debate about CRT vs LCD.

 

At the moment, they suit primarily the environmentally conscious and early adopters, but in a few years regular people will reflect on the days when they had an ICE a laugh. Just like CRT TV's you might even see working but superseded ICE that some optimist is trying to sell but no one in their right mind wants.


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networkn:

 

Dinga96:

 

You should not assume that petrol will stay the same price for 16 years.

 

 

How much would it need to rise by to invalidate the comment?

 

 

 

 

networkn ,the comment is already invalid.


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