NZ Government Incentives Coming Soon For Buyers of Electric Vehicles!

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Reply # 2107663 14-Oct-2018 14:22

Since last week the UK has reduced incentives for new EVs by about 1/4, and fully eliminated incentives for new hybrids / PHEVs.

(I believe there are still some incentives based on their registration cost system).

They had to go - there seems little point in the taxpayer subsidising purchase price for cars like Porsche Hybrids.

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Reply # 2107666 14-Oct-2018 14:38

Thats gonna dry up one souce of the used leafs then. Someone was telling me that over there it was viable to just keep buying new ones and selling the old one overseas with their crazy incentives. Noone would buy a used leaf in the UK Because new was the same price with incentives.

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Reply # 2107819 14-Oct-2018 22:20

Will only have a GBP 1000 impact on leaf's

Over the last 7 years, they issued over 160,000 grants and about 100,000 of which were for plug-in hybrids.

They say that they want to now focus the money on all-electric vehicles – yet, they are also reducing the value of the incentive for those from £4,500 to £3,500

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Reply # 2107820 14-Oct-2018 22:21

Dingbatt: I did wonder if something along the lines of California's ZEV regulations which require a certain percentage of new car sales have to be zero emission vehicles for companies to sell any new vehicles.
However NZ's market is so small manufacturers would probably say "Okay we won't bother selling new vehicles in NZ."
From what I have read, the above regulation does produce some pretty useless EVs (looking at you Ford) but at least there is a greater variety on offer.
For NZ to do this, Australia would need to do it as well, to make a RHD viable for this corner of the world.

I think we could look at some like the ZEV provided the government also supported local EV alternatives - like a conversion "industry" for popular models of cars and utes. It would provide a backstop if the car companies do simply ignore NZ. We have another path.

That might lead to a local EV solution like some of the ones seen in Norway. They only have 5.3 million people but somehow have managed to develop a couple of local EVs sold only in Norway.

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Reply # 2107821 14-Oct-2018 22:22

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Will only have a GBP 1000 impact on leaf's

Over the last 7 years, they issued over 160,000 grants and about 100,000 of which were for plug-in hybrids.

They say that they want to now focus the money on all-electric vehicles – yet, they are also reducing the value of the incentive for those from £4,500 to £3,500

That could be because the prices of the EVs is getting lower...and therefore the incentive need not be as big to bridge the gap. That was always the plan......

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Reply # 2107824 14-Oct-2018 22:27

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And I hope someone has told James Shaw that EVs need charging up and that the national charging network will need to be expanded urgently

My former (I retired last month) government employer is moving into a new building next year.

When I asked the "New Building Project" folks what provision they were making for charging up EVs in the garaging and parking areas, I got the blank stare of incomprehension. And when I pointed out that the previous government - not the green-tinged current mob - had set a target of 33% EVs by 2021 for government organisations* and the new(ish) government is bound to, the incomprehension began to be overlayed with a teeny weeny trace of panic.
No, no provisions of any kind for electricity distribution in the garages or in the car park.

So, it's not just the "national charging network" that needs beefing up

* "The National Party has pledged one in three cars in the Government's fleet will be electric by 2021" https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95721059/national-announce-new-electric-vehicle-target-for-government-fleet

Some people in government really are just time-servers. Bad managers let them get away with it. The same happens in private companies, by the way.....I'm not just bashing government. There does nee to be some kind of oversight by a thinking adult at times. I know of several projects where lazy people almost caused them to fail by missing their deadlines for no good reason (saying everything was in hand...when it wasn't).....and somehow they are still in the job.

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Reply # 2107825 14-Oct-2018 22:31

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Aredwood: Allow LHD EVs to be imported. Both brand new and secondhand. Then we can get the Tesla Model 3, Chevy Volt, for a start. And it would open up whole new secondhand markets to choose from.

James Shaw from the Green party says that he wants to flood NZ with secondhand EVs.

https://www.nbr.co.nz/story/shaw-proposes-flooding-market-evs

Although that article doesn't say how he proposes to achieve his goal. He Only talks about fuel efficiency standards for ICE vehicles. And he says that secondhand EVs are a good way of avoiding high petrol prices. And other comments around people who buy cheap ICE cars not considering the cheaper running costs of an EV. So nothing that everyone on GZ doesn't already know.

Allowing LHD imports is the only method I can think of apart from large cash subsidies.

I agree. This would be great.

But I'd go further and suggest we just change to LHD full stop. As we are rolling the fleet over anyway....why not take the opportunity to point the signs other way on the other side of the street and repaint the road marking at intersections? Motorway off ramps become on-ramps....It's been done elsewhere.

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Reply # 2107927 15-Oct-2018 08:56

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Linuxluver:

Aredwood: Allow LHD EVs to be imported. Both brand new and secondhand. Then we can get the Tesla Model 3, Chevy Volt, for a start. And it would open up whole new secondhand markets to choose from.

James Shaw from the Green party says that he wants to flood NZ with secondhand EVs.

https://www.nbr.co.nz/story/shaw-proposes-flooding-market-evs

Although that article doesn't say how he proposes to achieve his goal. He Only talks about fuel efficiency standards for ICE vehicles. And he says that secondhand EVs are a good way of avoiding high petrol prices. And other comments around people who buy cheap ICE cars not considering the cheaper running costs of an EV. So nothing that everyone on GZ doesn't already know.

Allowing LHD imports is the only method I can think of apart from large cash subsidies.

I agree. This would be great.

But I'd go further and suggest we just change to LHD full stop. As we are rolling the fleet over anyway....why not take the opportunity to point the signs other way on the other side of the street and repaint the road marking at intersections? Motorway off ramps become on-ramps....It's been done elsewhere.

Good idea but I'm afraid you're going to be shot down by those here. Every time this come up there's always a road block like "Oh the cost" or "Think of all the accidents as a result" I think that the accident one was put to bed some years ago when the right hand rule was changed back.

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Reply # 2108002 15-Oct-2018 10:43

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old3eyes:

Good idea but I'm afraid you're going to be shot down by those here. Every time this come up there's always a road block like "Oh the cost" or "Think of all the accidents as a result" I think that the accident one was put to bed some years ago when the right hand rule was changed back.

The roadblock in my mind is the amount of infrastructure that has to be altered in a short time frame. Lot's of infrastructure isn't able to simply be used in reverse.

I just don't see it as logistically possible.

I'm not sure that it would bring the benefits people think of - cheaper/better cars.

Cars in Australia are significantly cheaper than in NZ and often with better trim packages. Car manufacturers are able to maintain differences despite both countries having RHD vehicles.

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Reply # 2108089 15-Oct-2018 12:30

MikeAqua:

old3eyes:

Good idea but I'm afraid you're going to be shot down by those here. Every time this come up there's always a road block like "Oh the cost" or "Think of all the accidents as a result" I think that the accident one was put to bed some years ago when the right hand rule was changed back.

The roadblock in my mind is the amount of infrastructure that has to be altered in a short time frame. Lot's of infrastructure isn't able to simply be used in reverse.

I just don't see it as logistically possible.

I'm not sure that it would bring the benefits people think of - cheaper/better cars.

Cars in Australia are significantly cheaper than in NZ and often with better trim packages. Car manufacturers are able to maintain differences despite both countries having RHD vehicles.

From what I saw of Australian cars while they are cheaper they don't have the same level of trim or features.

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Reply # 2108147 15-Oct-2018 13:04

old3eyes:

From what I saw of Australian cars while they are cheaper they don't have the same level of trim or features.

Interesting. My impression is the opposite. Cheaper and better features.

Perhaps it depends what cars you look at.

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Reply # 2108156 15-Oct-2018 13:12

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Maybe we could change sides when Japan does?
I believe autonomous technology will render the change moot. There are already signs in concept vehicles that controls for manual driving will be movable to either side.

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Reply # 2108197 15-Oct-2018 13:56

Aredwood:
MikeB4:

GV27:

MikeB4:

What about a 20% levy on the sale of ICE vehicles to fund a subsidy on EVs that way funding is not being taken from other areas of Government spending.

So a tradie pays 20% extra on a work ute (just a few extra thousand, no big deal) as a punishment for not buying an electric ute instead, which they can't buy because no one makes one yet?

Families buying people movers effectively end up paying a 20% tax to underwrite people who can afford Tesla Model Xs?

Can't see any problems there.

There are alternatives and the tradie still has his/her ICE until it needs replacing. It wouldnt be a situation of tomorrow sorry dude your Hilux is off the road. However we have to do something, we cannot ring a diety and say ummm sorry we stuffed up can you bilud a new planet for us. This is it the only viable home we have and time is ticking.

Also you do realise there are alternatives to Teslas right? they are not the only vehicles available. Also, if Governments set a deadlines on ICE production and sales you can guarantee that Ford, PSA, Toyota, Nissan, etc will quickly bring on replacements.

How many other RHD countries are Utes popular in? I can only think of NZ, Australia and South Africa. Apart from various 3rd world countries. Sales of RHD Utes will be tiny, compared to sales of LHD Utes (pickups) in the USA alone.

Also telling, is that Tesla hasn't even announced, yet alone sells an electric Ute. Despite how large that market is in the USA. Dodge has only quite recently started making and selling a RHD version of their pickup. VW is also a quite recent entry to the market. GM just hasn't bothered (unless you include the Commodore Ute that you can't buy anymore). It is unlikely that we will be getting suitable EV Utes anytime soon. When the largest car manufacturers from both America and Europe have mostly ignored us in relation to selling ICE Utes.

Utes already hold their value far better than cars. Any ban will just make them far more valuable still. And will mean that they will remain on the road for far longer.

I'd agree; in the UK, a Hilux for example would in all likelihood be a 'builder's wagon'. Farmers habitually drive Land Rovers although I am not sure what they have been buying recently as I have not lived there since the Defender was killed off and that is what almost every farmer I ever met or worked for drove on the farm! I saw exactly no utes in Japan over the past 3 weeks either.

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Reply # 2108201 15-Oct-2018 14:04

Geektastic:

I'd agree; in the UK, a Hilux for example would in all likelihood be a 'builder's wagon'. Farmers habitually drive Land Rovers although I am not sure what they have been buying recently as I have not lived there since the Defender was killed off and that is what almost every farmer I ever met or worked for drove on the farm! I saw exactly no utes in Japan over the past 3 weeks either.

The Japanese version of a farming ute is the Suzuki Super carry, head to any rural faming village and they are everywhere

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Reply # 2108316 15-Oct-2018 16:54

You can even get a sister (?) version in electric, but not here. There an interesting description/discussion in this Trademe post and the Q+A about import restrictions on what would otherwise be an awesome runabout for building supplies and trips to the tip:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/suzuki/auction-1760263095.htm?rsqid=e3131efcbca84ac29488982be9a66d32

Interestingly, their website refers to export sales to Australia.

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