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  Reply # 2138682 3-Dec-2018 17:43
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Its going to be interesting to see what they(labour) settle on as an incentive package.It should ideally help low and middle income people but I can not see how they can implement such a policy.I must say James Shaw after saying he would have an anouncement in November some time look a bit tardy and generally not very reliable.

 

 

Dont forget that there is this hurdle to overcome too:

 

"There will be no new taxes or levies introduced in our first term of government beyond those we have already announced."

 

Ardern said it was her "captain's call" to back down from introducing new taxes in a first term of a Labour Government because it was clear the public were concerned.  [NZ Herald 14 Sept 2018]


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  Reply # 2138684 3-Dec-2018 17:45
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Having started a new job at a vehicle dealership, I am now 10,000% pro-vehicle subsidies. 




Guessing that the dealership that you work at sells EVs?

Any GZ member discounts?





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2139149 4-Dec-2018 11:04
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Dinga96: Its going to be interesting to see what they(labour) settle on as an incentive package.It should ideally help low and middle income people but I can not see how they can implement such a policy....... 

 

There-in lies the rub: The Govt isn't going give away cars. Labour is seen as the little guys hero, but any purchase subsidy will be on new cars, which, in this 3 year election cycle, will help "rich" people and not the little guy. Incentives on used imports isn't going to increase the pool of EV's available to purchase. Kiwi's are too short sighted to realise that putting incentives on new cars will ultimately lead to a thriving 2nd hand market which is when the little guy will benefit. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2139190 4-Dec-2018 11:50
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wellygary:

 

"farms" in Japan fit your description of a flat property perfectly....

 

 

From what I have seen, what qualifies as a farm in Japan would be considered a lifestyle block in NZ.

 

 

Catching up with this old comment. Japan heavily subsidises local food production. They are vulnerable to naval blockade from China and others and ensure they grow enough food to feed themselves......even if it means a "farmer" with 5 acres growing rice is able to make a decent living through subsidies. This has been a major obstacle to any free trade deals with Japan from countries like NZ who would love to sell our food there more easily. Japan won't easily sacrifice their food security.





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Dinga96: Its going to be interesting to see what they(labour) settle on as an incentive package.It should ideally help low and middle income people but I can not see how they can implement such a policy....... 

 

There-in lies the rub: The Govt isn't going give away cars. Labour is seen as the little guys hero, but any purchase subsidy will be on new cars, which, in this 3 year election cycle, will help "rich" people and not the little guy. Incentives on used imports isn't going to increase the pool of EV's available to purchase. Kiwi's are too short sighted to realise that putting incentives on new cars will ultimately lead to a thriving 2nd hand market which is when the little guy will benefit. 

 



These are various tools for supporting low income people gaining access to cheaper, more reliable transport.

1. Low / No interest loans. Perhaps with a grant component, assessed on a case-by-case basis.

 

2. A feebate scheme generally.....to fund purchase grants / incentives and help bridge the handful of years when EVs are more expensive than ICE to the years when the simpler, easier-to-make EVs are actually cheaper than ICE.

3. Tax credits to support purchase.

4. Tax exemptions / concessions for EVs - like RUC at a lower rate or none for a time. Exemptions from taxes imposed on vehicles that emit.

The bottom line is that there is a $5.2 billion tade balance 'prize' for NZ to win if we reduce the import of fossil fuels to low levels. However we get there. Whoever is aided on the way to making that happen.......we would be lower emitting...and require less forex to buy what we get from the rest of the world. It would be even better if we could make a basic, cheap, farm-friendly EV right here. Something like 200km of range, seats 4, carries a tonne....and costs NZ$25k new. That would meet the needs of 90% of NZ rural people.

We have a decade at most to avert the worst outcomes. We need to think outside the box, ignore the usual divisive politics fed by petty jealousies..... and just get it done. 

Adding: the fastest, simplest thing to do would be to just give the cars away as fast as possible. Add roof top solar and home / business battery storage to the list. If we have a billion dollars for frigates......we can get this done even faster by not buying the frigates.





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  Reply # 2139399 4-Dec-2018 20:16
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GV27:

 

Having started a new job at a vehicle dealership, I am now 10,000% pro-vehicle subsidies. 

 



Guessing that the dealership that you work at sells EVs?

Any GZ member discounts?

 

I'd rather not post the specific place I work, but I'll let you know if I hear anything about EV events that might get held etc. I'm not on the sales floor so I'm the wrong person to ask about discounts. 

 

I can see reasons to subsidise solar and batteries ahead of EVs themselves; we probably need that resilience a lot more than most people realised before the storm with no name this year. 

 

I am now basically in a position to buy an EV but will hold fire until we hear anything from the Govt. Unfortunately you can't buy a car that isn't being made, so it will probably push demand up locally; I rate my chances of getting one overseas as an import but I'm not sure I know enough about them yet to do it sight-unseen. 




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  Reply # 2181662 17-Feb-2019 20:24
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This thread started off on 24 September 2018 with the following link:

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/government-promises-decent-incentives-for-electric-cars.html

 

From the above:

 

The Government will soon offer incentives to New Zealanders looking to purchase electric vehicles, to move people away from traditional cars that burn fossil fuels. 

 

"What we're trying to do is get a package that incentivises your middle class people to be able to do that, but also ensures that low income families aren't left behind," Climate Change Minister James Shaw told The AM Show. 

 

Now 5 months later I haven't heard any word of Government incentives to buy electric vehicles. Has anyone else heard anything, do you think these incentives will eventuate soon?

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2181693 17-Feb-2019 21:31
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NZ Government Incentives Coming Soon For Buyers of Electric Vehicles!

I found that whole thing slightly annoying. Announcement and then zero. Presumably it was intended as a stake in the ground for industry purposes. Initially I was considering a purchase and delayed it.

On the plus side my requirements have changed since then and the delay might be a good thing.

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Yes, its gone eerily quiet. Both sides don't really want to know. Labour has said nothing since that I am aware of, and Nationals goal to buy only EV's to get them more visible never happened, (8 out of 2040, was supposed to be almost all) as was the cancelling of electronic in favour of diesel trains for for the NI main trunk line

 

What form of incentive would you want? IMHO, if any party put forward a large $ subsidy that wont down well. RUC is about 70c or less a km? Thats an artificial subsidy, one day it will stop, reducing EV viability

 

Its a hard one for any Govt to make happen. But they could be subsiding heavy advertising as the charging grid seems fine now


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  Reply # 2181743 18-Feb-2019 07:56
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Yes, its gone eerily quiet. Both sides don't really want to know. Labour has said nothing since that I am aware of, and Nationals goal to buy only EV's to get them more visible never happened, (8 out of 2040, was supposed to be almost all) as was the cancelling of electronic in favour of diesel trains for for the NI main trunk line


What form of incentive would you want? IMHO, if any party put forward a large $ subsidy that wont down well. RUC is about 70c or less a km? Thats an artificial subsidy, one day it will stop, reducing EV viability


Its a hard one for any Govt to make happen. But they could be subsiding heavy advertising as the charging grid seems fine now



The Greens, Labour and National are working hard on this. From all media accounts during January it's NZF that are dragging the chain. Getting the co-prime minister to talk about this would only get more bluster from him, I'm sure.

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tdgeek:

Yes, its gone eerily quiet. Both sides don't really want to know. Labour has said nothing since that I am aware of, and Nationals goal to buy only EV's to get them more visible never happened, (8 out of 2040, was supposed to be almost all) as was the cancelling of electronic in favour of diesel trains for for the NI main trunk line


What form of incentive would you want? IMHO, if any party put forward a large $ subsidy that wont down well. RUC is about 70c or less a km? Thats an artificial subsidy, one day it will stop, reducing EV viability


Its a hard one for any Govt to make happen. But they could be subsiding heavy advertising as the charging grid seems fine now



The Greens, Labour and National are working hard on this. From all media accounts during January it's NZF that are dragging the chain. Getting the co-prime minister to talk about this would only get more bluster from him, I'm sure.

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  Reply # 2181877 18-Feb-2019 10:05
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ockel: [The Greens, Labour and National are working hard on this. From all media accounts during January it's NZF that are dragging the chain. Getting the co-prime minister to talk about this would only get more bluster from him, I'm sure.


Source please?

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  Reply # 2181879 18-Feb-2019 10:10
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I'd go for giving ev the same fringe benefit tax breaks that work vehicles get. (Hence why all those urban companies drive utes)

Companies benefiting will cause less anger than individuals citizens being seen to get personal benefit. Look at the anger in avoiding RUC.

I can see evs getting keyed...

I'm not sure we as a country can afford widespread incentives that lower the price enough to average citizen unfortunately.

The green issue doesnt fly because I've come to the sad conclusion that the average nzer doesnt really care about the environment if it inconveniences them in any way.

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PhantomNVD:
ockel: [The Greens, Labour and National are working hard on this. From all media accounts during January it's NZF that are dragging the chain. Getting the co-prime minister to talk about this would only get more bluster from him, I'm sure.


Source please?

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110159557/nz-first-slows-climate-change-law


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  Reply # 2181909 18-Feb-2019 10:32
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afe66: I'd go for giving ev the same fringe benefit tax breaks that work vehicles get. (Hence why all those urban companies drive utes)

Companies benefiting will cause less anger than individuals citizens being seen to get personal benefit. Look at the anger in avoiding RUC.

I can see evs getting keyed...

I'm not sure we as a country can afford widespread incentives that lower the price enough to average citizen unfortunately.

The green issue doesnt fly because I've come to the sad conclusion that the average nzer doesnt really care about the environment if it inconveniences them in any way.

Happily enjoying my leaf..

 

The green issue doesnt fly because I've come to the sad conclusion that the average global citizen doesnt really care about the environment if it inconveniences them in any way.

 

France is a good case in point.  Add US, Australia, and Canada to that.  


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