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Jeeves
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  #2238313 15-May-2019 12:41
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IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 


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  #2238317 15-May-2019 12:44
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Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

 

 

Simple solution? Don't think so.


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  #2238367 15-May-2019 13:55
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tdgeek:

 

Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ.

 

 

Simple solution? Don't think so.

 

 

Agreed... that 570MW is in the wrong place. There's no easy way to get it to Auckland, where the bulk of the demand is.




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  #2238378 15-May-2019 14:10
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Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

 

 

Why put 900 odd people out of work?

 

With over half of NZ population living north of Hamilton, the smarter idea would be to build a power station close to the biggest concentration of people. This way, you're going to reduce the loss in transmitting the power all the way up the country, and future proofs NZ a bit. 

 

With no big rivers to dam, and wind turbines not able to produce enough, Nuclear power may have to be looked at. Stick one of these in somewhere in south Auckland, job done. Or maybe someone smart enough can look at a way of burning all the plastic that isn't going to China anymore and use this as a fuel source?

 

NZ needs to do something, if the earth is going through a warming phase, instead of a cooling phase, or global warming (a whole different debate), either way this relies on the snow melt in the warmer months to fill the hydro lakes. If this maybe reduces, then what?

 

 


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  #2238380 15-May-2019 14:13
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Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

What problem are you trying to solve??


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  #2238385 15-May-2019 14:22
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wellygary:

 

Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

What problem are you trying to solve??

 

 

I assume a way to add green power to NZ without building a hydro station.


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  #2238422 15-May-2019 15:31
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tdgeek:

 

wellygary:

 

Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

What problem are you trying to solve??

 

 

I assume a way to add green power to NZ without building a hydro station.

 

 

But in doing so you shift the production of the Aluminium from NZ to likely China (with a grid much more heavy on Coal than ours)

 

So net global emissions probably rise.....




  #2238423 15-May-2019 15:31
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

With over half of NZ population living north of Hamilton, the smarter idea would be to build a power station close to the biggest concentration of people. This way, you're going to reduce the loss in transmitting the power all the way up the country, and future proofs NZ a bit. 

 

With no big rivers to dam, and wind turbines not able to produce enough, Nuclear power may have to be looked at. Stick one of these in somewhere in south Auckland, job done.

 

 

Yup, that's the answer: build a nice shiny new nuke plant on the shores of the Manukau Estuary, bringing the generation close to the usage to reduce transmission losses, and you could also permanently shut down Huntly Thermal - bonus! The Chinese are going flat out on building nuke plants at the moment, even one in the U.K., and would be sure to do a good deal even if it came at the price of No Huawei.
The only major difficulty would be buying one small enough, they tend to come in 1250MW or 2500MW units, which is three to five times too large for our modest needs.

 

 

 

I'm sure the Green Party would embrace this Carbon Emission Reduction programme with delight

 

 


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  #2238482 15-May-2019 16:09
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WyleECoyoteNZ:


With over half of NZ population living north of Hamilton, the smarter idea would be to build a power station close to the biggest concentration of people. This way, you're going to reduce the loss in transmitting the power all the way up the country, and future proofs NZ a bit. 


With no big rivers to dam, and wind turbines not able to produce enough, Nuclear power may have to be looked at. Stick one of these in somewhere in south Auckland, job done.



Yup, that's the answer: build a nice shiny new nuke plant on the shores of the Manukau Estuary, bringing the generation close to the usage to reduce transmission losses, and you could also permanently shut down Huntly Thermal - bonus! The Chinese are going flat out on building nuke plants at the moment, even one in the U.K., and would be sure to do a good deal even if it came at the price of No Huawei.
The only major difficulty would be buying one small enough, they tend to come in 1250MW or 2500MW units, which is three to five times too large for our modest needs.


 


I'm sure the Green Party would embrace this Carbon Emission Reduction programme with delight


 



Well... three times our current needs will happily suite the naysayers who think EVs will stress the current electric generation capacity 🙄

They totally seem to think people will all need to fast charge in the middle of the day at the same time, not realising that every house has a perfectly suitable trickle charge overnight setup already, when power is retailing at 1c/kw

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  #2238512 15-May-2019 17:02
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wellygary:

 

tdgeek:

 

wellygary:

 

Jeeves:

 

IMO, a simple, short term solution is to shut down Tiwai point. At 570 MW, that would be equivalent of building the 2nd largest power station in NZ. Use some of the money saved from building a hydro scheme to compensate Southland for the economic loss.

 

 

What problem are you trying to solve??

 

 

I assume a way to add green power to NZ without building a hydro station.

 

 

But in doing so you shift the production of the Aluminium from NZ to likely China (with a grid much more heavy on Coal than ours)

 

So net global emissions probably rise.....

 

 

Exactly. I vote to build as many Hydros as we need. They are abouyr 75 sq km so they aren't that big


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  #2238784 16-May-2019 09:09
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

With over half of NZ population living north of Hamilton, the smarter idea would be to build a power station close to the biggest concentration of people. This way, you're going to reduce the loss in transmitting the power all the way up the country, and future proofs NZ a bit. 

 

With no big rivers to dam, and wind turbines not able to produce enough, Nuclear power may have to be looked at. Stick one of these in somewhere in south Auckland, job done. Or maybe someone smart enough can look at a way of burning all the plastic that isn't going to China anymore and use this as a fuel source?

 

NZ needs to do something, if the earth is going through a warming phase, instead of a cooling phase, or global warming (a whole different debate), either way this relies on the snow melt in the warmer months to fill the hydro lakes. If this maybe reduces, then what?

 

 

 

 

They actually did look into the idea before we went all anti nuclear.. I present, the Kaipara Nuclear station:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/archivesnz/32399602397


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  #2238790 16-May-2019 09:18
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Jeeves:

 

WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

With over half of NZ population living north of Hamilton, the smarter idea would be to build a power station close to the biggest concentration of people. This way, you're going to reduce the loss in transmitting the power all the way up the country, and future proofs NZ a bit. 

 

With no big rivers to dam, and wind turbines not able to produce enough, Nuclear power may have to be looked at. Stick one of these in somewhere in south Auckland, job done. Or maybe someone smart enough can look at a way of burning all the plastic that isn't going to China anymore and use this as a fuel source?

 

NZ needs to do something, if the earth is going through a warming phase, instead of a cooling phase, or global warming (a whole different debate), either way this relies on the snow melt in the warmer months to fill the hydro lakes. If this maybe reduces, then what?

 

 

 

 

They actually did look into the idea before we went all anti nuclear.. I present, the Kaipara Nuclear station:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/archivesnz/32399602397

 

 

Funny, in hindsight

 

The third station would probably be in central Auckland “from developments overseas we believe that the construction of [nuclear power] stations in the centre of cities within 15 years or so will be acceptable.”

 

A little bit more work needed on that one   :-)


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  #2248942 31-May-2019 09:44
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Well, the 2019 Budget delivered on 30 May 2019 doesn't seem to provide any new NZ Government incentives for buyers of electric vehicles, even though in September 2018, James Shaw is reported as saying that such incentives were coming soon:

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/government-promises-decent-incentives-for-electric-cars.html

 

So, this much needed Government boost to EV uptake, which has been so successful in several overseas countries, looks like it ISN'T coming soon!

 

I can't understand why the Green Party made such strong indications that decent EVs incentives were coming soon and now seem to have back-tracked completely on this happening. This certainly hasn't been helpful for people who have been considering buying EVs.

 

 


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  #2248950 31-May-2019 10:00
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frednz:

 

Well, the 2019 Budget delivered on 30 May 2019 doesn't seem to provide any new NZ Government incentives for buyers of electric vehicles, even though in October 2018, James Shaw is reported as saying that such incentives were coming soon!

 

So, this much needed Government boost to EV uptake, which has been so successful in several overseas countries, looks like it ISN'T coming soon!

 

I can't understand why the Green Party made such strong indications that decent EVs incentives were coming soon and now seem to have back-tracked completely on this happening. This certainly hasn't been helpful for people who have been considering buying EVs.

 

 

 

 

Does the Zero Carbon bill allow for funds to be allocated outside of the budget?  It also depends on how they'd do the incentives?  If they're going with the original "feebate" they talked about last year, would that need to be in the budget since they wouldn't be outright funding it?  

 

I actually wrote an email to Julie Anne Genter expressing my concern for an EV subsidy and got a reply from her last week saying that they're "investigating a range of levers to encourage the uptake of electric vehicles. Our focus is on implementing measures that will assist in transitioning to a zero-emission fleet. I hope to say more on how the Government can best support this objective in the coming months."


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  #2248955 31-May-2019 10:07
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To be fair, giving cash to brand new EV owners, has to be a lower priority than many other challenges at the moment


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