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  #2323872 24-Sep-2019 12:33
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networkn:

 

At 74K I think you'd find most manufacturers put together a higher quality if obviously less technically advanced vehicle.

 

 

 

 

And therein lies the tradeoff, one which it seems a lot of people are more than willing to take (myself included).


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  #2323876 24-Sep-2019 12:35
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networkn:

 

At 74K I think you'd find most manufacturers put together a higher quality if obviously less technically advanced vehicle.

 

 

 

 

And therein lies the tradeoff, one which it seems a lot of people are more than willing to take (myself included).

 

 

Which is fine, but claiming it has good/great build quality isn't accurate (At least not in any Telsa I've ever seen in the flesh).

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2323879 24-Sep-2019 12:37
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networkn:

 

At 74K I think you'd find most manufacturers put together a higher quality if obviously less technically advanced vehicle.

 

 

 

 

I guess the question is, if you're exaggerating the cost are you also exaggerating the issues? ;)


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  #2323894 24-Sep-2019 12:43
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Obraik:

 

networkn:

 

At 74K I think you'd find most manufacturers put together a higher quality if obviously less technically advanced vehicle.

 

 

 

 

I guess the question is, if you're exaggerating the cost are you also exaggerating the issues? ;)

 

 

Multiple people in the last few days have spoken about their 100K spend, and if I was to buy one, the features I'd need to make it comparable to a 3 Series BMW I'd buy, would make it 100K. Also, I am pretty confident, most 75K cars from other manufacturers wouldn't have the mismatching panels and rough edges I viewed myself. If you are fortunate enough your model doesn't have it, that's great for you.

 

 

 

 


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  #2323898 24-Sep-2019 12:45
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networkn:

 

Which is fine, but claiming it has good/great build quality isn't accurate (At least not in any Telsa I've ever seen in the flesh).

 

 

It really depends on what you are comparing it to. The original question was whether Tesla has improved, and the general concensus is that it has (I can't comment as my M3 is the first Tesla I have sat in). But if you are comparing to an equivalent European car then you will likely come to a different concensus.

 

My car has one thing which bugs me, a rear door that doesn't close smoothly, but I am very confident it is a simple adjustment and have contacted Tesla support to get it resolved. Other than that the finish is of a very high standard IMO. 


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  #2323903 24-Sep-2019 12:53
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I have a Model X and if you compare the 2017 and prior vs anything 2018 and beyond the build quality is much better in my view. 


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  #2323908 24-Sep-2019 12:59
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Multiple people in the last few days have spoken about their 100K spend, and if I was to buy one, the features I'd need to make it comparable to a 3 Series BMW I'd buy, would make it 100K. Also, I am pretty confident, most 75K cars from other manufacturers wouldn't have the mismatching panels and rough edges I viewed myself. If you are fortunate enough your model doesn't have it, that's great for you.

 

 

From a numbers point, 70% of the registered Model 3's are the SR+ (the base $74k model).

 

I'm not saying there aren't some cars that have some fitment issues or quality issues with the paint. However, based on the people getting their cars there hasn't been a whole lot of noise from people. So either the issues aren't widespread or people are indifferent about them. When it comes to paint and alignment issues, these two me are minor quality issues - they might not look great but it's not affecting the actual car and are fairly easily fixed. Mechanical quality issues are what I care about.


 
 
 
 


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  #2324075 24-Sep-2019 16:40
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networkn:

At 74K I think you'd find most manufacturers put together a higher quality if obviously less technically advanced vehicle.


 



I went to the Tesla store today and thoroughly explored a Model 3 Performance car they had there. I've ordered a Long Range, so it's effectively the same thing but bigger wheels and one of the two motors is slightly more powerful.

It's an amazing car. I love the minimalist design. The software is simple, yet rich in functionally. Hopefully I'll have mine in 4 weeks. They said today it shouldn't be a problem.

These are different cars. Hard to describe.




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  #2324128 24-Sep-2019 17:38
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  #2324217 24-Sep-2019 21:52
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networkn:

 

Multiple people in the last few days have spoken about their 100K spend, and if I was to buy one, the features I'd need to make it comparable to a 3 Series BMW I'd buy, would make it 100K. Also, I am pretty confident, most 75K cars from other manufacturers wouldn't have the mismatching panels and rough edges I viewed myself. If you are fortunate enough your model doesn't have it, that's great for you.

 

 

I've been examining, for some time, my own thoughts and reactions to the build quality issue and other issues. You mention BMW. That's relevant in an interesting way. Similarly Mercedes or Jaguar or other incumbent luxury care maker.

Many people spending big money today on a Tesla have never owned any of those brands...and probably never would. I'd never buy a BMW or Merc. My whole life I've been a "ten years old and $10,000"  car buyer. New enough to be in a decent state. Old enough to be proven reliable. For a petrol car.

The first time I ever broke that rule was to buy a 24kWh Nissan LEAF. I paid $29k for it. I loved it, But I wanted a bit more range so 3 months later I bought a newer 30kWh LEAF from the UK for $45k. I broke the rule *again*. But the car was (and remains) awesome. So cheap to run. No service required in 3 years other than tyres and wheel alignments. So quiet. But powerful.

OK....Let's have more of that. Petrol is dead to me. Too dirty, expensive to run and keep running....and ultimately unreliable....and killing the planet, too.

So what's the ultimate of the moment? A Tesla. I'm REALLY breaking my 10yr/$10k rule this time. Nine times over and then some.

Build quality? Compared to what? Cars I was never ever going to buy anyway and actually have almost no experience of? No. They just are not relevant. 

My Model 3 will be long ranged, quiet, clean, reliable.....and maybe have a cosmetic issue or two....but what can I compare it to? Nothing really.

I'm not offering this as argument. It's more of a thought experiment as to why the build quality of ICE cars many would never buy just isn't a factor in their / my thinking. We (whoever agrees with this, anyway) don't live in that world anymore. 

I hope that makes sense. :-) 





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  #2324263 24-Sep-2019 23:32
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networkn:

maxeon:


BlinkyBill:


I haven’t owned a Tesla for a couple of years now - has the build quality improved? 



Absolutely 



Absolutely? That's probably taking it a bit far. I have seen 3 model 3's in the flesh in the past 2 weeks, including one in a showroom. They are still extremely average compared to every other car I've seen at 100K (Rough edges in some places, mismatched alignment on panels). 


Chances are if you bought any other car at 100K you'd be pretty unhappy. ;)


 



The question was.. If it was improved over the past 2 years.. And the answer was yes absolutely because I have owned and now have a 2018 model x.

Your reply to model 3 which just started rolling out has nothing to do with it.

Lots of negative comments about the "build" quality and comparison for a 100k car etc.. In my "personal" opinion you are not comparing apples to apples. Tesla is Amazing to drive, own and a huge learning curve to ev world along with technological benefits and over the air updates.

Just my opinion.

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GVI Penrose have a 2015 Model S P85 for $79850, how would that compare with a base Model 3.

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Guilliman: GVI Penrose have a 2015 Model S P85 for $79850, how would that compare with a base Model 3.

 

Carjam throws out some really interesting data on that car, it did 40,000Km last year!!.


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Guilliman: GVI Penrose have a 2015 Model S P85 for $79850, how would that compare with a base Model 3.

 

If it's a 2015 then it's an import, probably from Japan. Due to using a different charging connector, you won't be able to supercharge it in NZ and you'll need adapters for any other charger. The Autopilot hardware will be more limited in what it's capable of too and it won't work with the dashcam/sentry mode either.

 

Personally, I'd go with the Model 3 over the used Model S.


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Hi.

It’s time to replace our 2015 Leaf. We are seriously considering the model 3.

I have been trying to find a rental to do a weekend test drive. I see Snap have some on order but when I called them they have no timeframe on receiving them. There are also none on my mycaryourrental. Anyone with any ideas?
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