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  #2255063 10-Jun-2019 09:29
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kingdragonfly: 18 minute video

A Tesla model 3 has a minor fender bender in the USA. It was backed into a garage.

Cost NZD 15,477 to repair

When repairman removes roof, to get to trunk wiring, he breaks both front and rear glass.This adds NZD $1,870 to parts

Prices in $NZD

6,730 Parts
944 Paint
2,173 Body labor
1,444 Paint labor
235 Mechanical
3,314 Structural labor
638 Sales tax

15,477 Total

 

It wasn't that minor.  He cracked the bumper cover, bent the bumper bar, folded the back quarter panel, shunted the boot, cracked the lights and did some more damage underneath the outer panels.


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  #2255071 10-Jun-2019 09:42
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Obraik:

 

kingdragonfly: 18 minute video

A Tesla model 3 has a minor fender bender in the USA. It was backed into a garage.

Cost NZD 15,477 to repair

When repairman removes roof, to get to trunk wiring, he breaks both front and rear glass.This adds NZD $1,870 to parts

Prices in $NZD

6,730 Parts
944 Paint
2,173 Body labor
1,444 Paint labor
235 Mechanical
3,314 Structural labor
638 Sales tax

15,477 Total

 

It wasn't that minor.  He cracked the bumper cover, bent the bumper bar, folded the back quarter panel, shunted the boot, cracked the lights and did some more damage underneath the outer panels.

 

 

All of those things are what you expect from a rear shunt, albeit less so from a garage. Even though a rear shunt may do more damage, if the garage damaged the same parts but less so, then the replacements required are the same. If this cost is typical of a Tesla, then insurance premiums will reflect that. 15k is excessive


 
 
 
 


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  #2255098 10-Jun-2019 10:22
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tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

kingdragonfly: 18 minute video

A Tesla model 3 has a minor fender bender in the USA. It was backed into a garage.

Cost NZD 15,477 to repair

When repairman removes roof, to get to trunk wiring, he breaks both front and rear glass.This adds NZD $1,870 to parts

Prices in $NZD

6,730 Parts
944 Paint
2,173 Body labor
1,444 Paint labor
235 Mechanical
3,314 Structural labor
638 Sales tax

15,477 Total

 

It wasn't that minor.  He cracked the bumper cover, bent the bumper bar, folded the back quarter panel, shunted the boot, cracked the lights and did some more damage underneath the outer panels.

 

 

All of those things are what you expect from a rear shunt, albeit less so from a garage. Even though a rear shunt may do more damage, if the garage damaged the same parts but less so, then the replacements required are the same. If this cost is typical of a Tesla, then insurance premiums will reflect that. 15k is excessive

 

 

I've never been rear ended so I don't know what a typical cost is and there isn't really all that much in the way of info on average costs. There are a number of posts on the Tesla subreddit that talk about being rear ended in the traditional sense and the costs are being quoted as (in US$) $500 for a new bumper to $5000 for some structural repair as well. In this case, they've done it with some speed in a corner and they're also not very detailed on what actually is damaged under the panels (just that extra parts are required).  It's not a simple "fender bender" though - to me it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals


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  #2255100 10-Jun-2019 10:27
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Obraik:

 

 

 

I've never been rear ended so I don't know what a typical cost is and there isn't really all that much in the way of info on average costs. There are a number of posts on the Tesla subreddit that talk about being rear ended in the traditional sense and the costs are being quoted as (in US$) $500 for a new bumper to $5000 for some structural repair as well. In this case, they've done it with some speed in a corner and they're also not very detailed on what actually is damaged under the panels (just that extra parts are required).  It's not a simple "fender bender" though - to me it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals

 

 

You are trying to justify a $15000 repair cost for an argument with a garage. "Some speed" ? 15k???

 

Sorry, thats doesn't compute. I'll be interested in insurance premiums for them


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  #2255106 10-Jun-2019 10:36
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For the repairman breaking both the front and rear wind screens removing the roof, I guess it's in the term-and-conditions the owner's insurance got charged.

I would have hoped the repair shop's insurance would have picked up that cost.

Removing the roof to get to trunk wiring seems like a bad design.

Regarding "it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals", I think the Tesla 3 has a feature you can turn on to lessen this. If it detects you're near a wall, and "floor it", it'll deaden the accelerator.

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  #2255107 10-Jun-2019 10:39
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kingdragonfly: For the repairman breaking both the front and rear wind screens, I guess it's the nature of having a repairman mess up that the owner's insurance got charged.

I would have hoped the repair shop's insurance would have picked up that cost.

Removing the roof to get to trunk wiring seems like a bad design.

 

I think that extra broken glass was an extra, and not part of the 15k?

 

In any case, its excessive, and another reason to buy from a proper car company, adding to the oft reported build, quality


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  #2255109 10-Jun-2019 10:42
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tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

I've never been rear ended so I don't know what a typical cost is and there isn't really all that much in the way of info on average costs. There are a number of posts on the Tesla subreddit that talk about being rear ended in the traditional sense and the costs are being quoted as (in US$) $500 for a new bumper to $5000 for some structural repair as well. In this case, they've done it with some speed in a corner and they're also not very detailed on what actually is damaged under the panels (just that extra parts are required).  It's not a simple "fender bender" though - to me it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals

 

 

You are trying to justify a $15000 repair cost for an argument with a garage. "Some speed" ? 15k???

 

Sorry, thats doesn't compute. I'll be interested in insurance premiums for them

 

 

The garage in this case is a brick wall - if you hit a brick wall it will do some damage.  Remember that cars have crumple zones and are designed to fold up on impact.  The downside to crumple zones is that the car takes on more damage when you ram the car into a wall.

 

I posted a few pages back a quote I got from AMI for a Performance Model 3 - a $1300ish premium.  About the same as my 2007 Nissan Skyline.  They won't do excess free glass coverage though, due to the glass roof.


 
 
 
 


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  #2255114 10-Jun-2019 10:57
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Obraik:

 

tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

I've never been rear ended so I don't know what a typical cost is and there isn't really all that much in the way of info on average costs. There are a number of posts on the Tesla subreddit that talk about being rear ended in the traditional sense and the costs are being quoted as (in US$) $500 for a new bumper to $5000 for some structural repair as well. In this case, they've done it with some speed in a corner and they're also not very detailed on what actually is damaged under the panels (just that extra parts are required).  It's not a simple "fender bender" though - to me it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals

 

 

You are trying to justify a $15000 repair cost for an argument with a garage. "Some speed" ? 15k???

 

Sorry, thats doesn't compute. I'll be interested in insurance premiums for them

 

 

The garage in this case is a brick wall - if you hit a brick wall it will do some damage.  Remember that cars have crumple zones and are designed to fold up on impact.  The downside to crumple zones is that the car takes on more damage when you ram the car into a wall.

 

I posted a few pages back a quote I got from AMI for a Performance Model 3 - a $1300ish premium.  About the same as my 2007 Nissan Skyline.  They won't do excess free glass coverage though, due to the glass roof.

 

 

Yes, but that applies to all cars. Brick and crumple zones, I don't feel that a 15k bill when backed into a garage brick wall at what has to be low speed applies to other cars


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  #2255121 10-Jun-2019 11:10
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kingdragonfly: For the repairman breaking both the front and rear wind screens, I guess it's the nature of having a repairman mess up that the owner's insurance got charged.

I would have hoped the repair shop's insurance would have picked up that cost.

Removing the roof to get to trunk wiring seems like a bad design.

 

I think that extra broken glass was an extra, and not part of the 15k?

 

In any case, its excessive, and another reason to buy from a proper car company, adding to the oft reported build, quality

 

 

Lol, what?  How does build quality have anything to do with this?  They crashed the car, the car broke.  The cost did include the cost of the top front and back glass.

 

tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

I've never been rear ended so I don't know what a typical cost is and there isn't really all that much in the way of info on average costs. There are a number of posts on the Tesla subreddit that talk about being rear ended in the traditional sense and the costs are being quoted as (in US$) $500 for a new bumper to $5000 for some structural repair as well. In this case, they've done it with some speed in a corner and they're also not very detailed on what actually is damaged under the panels (just that extra parts are required).  It's not a simple "fender bender" though - to me it seems like one of those accidents where someone mistook the brake and accelerator pedals

 

 

You are trying to justify a $15000 repair cost for an argument with a garage. "Some speed" ? 15k???

 

Sorry, thats doesn't compute. I'll be interested in insurance premiums for them

 

 

The garage in this case is a brick wall - if you hit a brick wall it will do some damage.  Remember that cars have crumple zones and are designed to fold up on impact.  The downside to crumple zones is that the car takes on more damage when you ram the car into a wall.

 

I posted a few pages back a quote I got from AMI for a Performance Model 3 - a $1300ish premium.  About the same as my 2007 Nissan Skyline.  They won't do excess free glass coverage though, due to the glass roof.

 

 

Yes, but that applies to all cars. Brick and crumple zones, I don't feel that a 15k bill when backed into a garage brick wall at what has to be low speed applies to other cars

 

 

No other car has the top safety rating that the Model 3 has, though ;)  I don't think they hit it as low speed as you seem to think they did, I think it was a good old pedal confusion crash 


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  #2255125 10-Jun-2019 11:16
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If you read what I wrote I didnt refer this issue to build quality, I added that its another reason to avoid it, build quality being another reason.

 

Its been labelled a minor fender bender. In any case it backed into a garage at what I would imagine is not at 50mph. Or 30mph, or 20mph. Would most new cars incur 15k damage if they backed into a garage?

 

In any case, its moot. People will buy them, other people, will buy other EV's


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  #2255139 10-Jun-2019 11:41
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Not build quality, but I'll just call it alternative design




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  #2255143 10-Jun-2019 11:44
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tdgeek:

 

If you read what I wrote I didnt refer this issue to build quality, I added that its another reason to avoid it, build quality being another reason.

 

Its been labelled a minor fender bender. In any case it backed into a garage at what I would imagine is not at 50mph. Or 30mph, or 20mph. Would most new cars incur 15k damage if they backed into a garage?

 

In any case, its moot. People will buy them, other people, will buy other EV's

 

 

For a new car and AN INSURANCE REPAIR, I suspect yes. A good friend of mine was rear ended recently in a 2006 Mercedes, there was a dent on the bumper and boot wouldn't close plus crease on bottom of boot lid.

 

$15k because insurance replaced at least the bumper, boot lid, exhaust, parking sensor(s?) something in the boot latch assembly and probably other stuff, plus matched a custom aftermarket paint job.

 

If it was a non insurance repair, it would be have been maybe 5-6k.

 

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  #2255145 10-Jun-2019 11:50
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  #2255147 10-Jun-2019 11:52
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Batman: Not build quality, but I'll just call it alternative design

 

For the second time, my reference to build quality was not re this issue, its a comment that we have all heard for a long time with Tesla. And as I stated, that is another reason to avoid them


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  #2255158 10-Jun-2019 12:01
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tdgeek:

 

Batman: Not build quality, but I'll just call it alternative design

 

For the second time, my reference to build quality was not re this issue, its a comment that we have all heard for a long time with Tesla. And as I stated, that is another reason to avoid them

 

 

There's a lot less of that now vs this time last year when production was first starting to ramp up. Having said that, "build quality" issues are fairly straight forward to have fixed up and Tesla has been doing this.  Should it happen?  No, but in the grand scheme of owning the car it's a fairly minor thing that you deal with, have fixed and move on.  Should you reject a brand and the superior EV technology you get with it for something that is rather minor?  That's up to you I guess, I personally prefer to get best value for my money.


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