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  #2360747 26-Nov-2019 08:03
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Scott3:

 

I still don't consider the back seats a comfortable place to be. Floor is very high, seatback is upright, and seat in front needs to be moved a long way forward to I can actually fit. (i'm 183cm tall).

 

 

That's weird.  With my Dmax, with the passenger seat fully back, there's still plenty of legroom, but there's a thing about having the front seats that far back - I'm about the same height as you, and if the driver seat was fully back (and unlike most cars) my feet won't even reach the pedals.  I slide the passenger seat back as far as it goes, and as soon as my SO gets in she slides it forward - there's so much room in front, surrounded by tacky textured plastic, that it feels exposed / uncomfortable.

 

Maybe you're just plain wrong about lack of space/comfort in the current range of twin-cab utes.  I hate driving mine around town because it's so big, but on a long open-road trip it's fantastic:

 

there's tons of room.
As it's on a ladder chassis, there's very little road noise.
As it's high, there's less sense of speed / road blur.
On the highway with 4 px, it uses about 7.4l/100km.
I can chuck outboard motors etc in the back and not have to spend the trip sniffing petrol.


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  #2360780 26-Nov-2019 09:28
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Here's the considered view of an auto journalist (in contrast to tech journalists) ...

 

https://youtu.be/Q-0DdRHA-ZQ


 
 
 
 


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  #2361119 26-Nov-2019 20:21
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The lack of towing capability would be a deal-breaker for me.  I didn't realise how hopeless full EV's range is.

 

In theory it could be solved by running regenerative braking on the trailer, as every time the brakes are activated it's wasting a lot of battery charge.  Not sure how feasible that would be, motor/generators on the (braked) trailer wheels, they'd be putting out a lot of power, so either high voltage or you'd need very heavy cables, doesn't sound easy (or cheap) to achieve - especially on a boat trailer where the whole shebang would get periodically immersed in salt water.


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  #2361122 26-Nov-2019 20:28
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Fred99:

The lack of towing capability would be a deal-breaker for me.  I didn't realise how hopeless full EV's range is.


In theory it could be solved by running regenerative braking on the trailer, as every time the brakes are activated it's wasting a lot of battery charge.  Not sure how feasible that would be, motor/generators on the (braked) trailer wheels, they'd be putting out a lot of power, so either high voltage or you'd need very heavy cables, doesn't sound easy (or cheap) to achieve - especially on a boat trailer where the whole shebang would get periodically immersed in salt water.



I suggest you look at the spec for the Cybertrk. Especially the towing details.




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  #2361134 26-Nov-2019 20:39
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Linuxluver:

I suggest you look at the spec for the Cybertrk. Especially the towing details.

 

Do they specify range though?

 

It's all very well to be able to tow 5 tonnes or whatever, but if a Model X P100 can't tow a 1300kg runabout 200km on a charge, I wouldn't have high hopes.


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  #2361137 26-Nov-2019 20:41
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Linuxluver:

I suggest you look at the spec for the Cybertrk. Especially the towing details.


Do they specify range though?


It's all very well to be able to tow 5 tonnes or whatever, but if a Model X P100 can't tow a 1300kg runabout 200km on a charge, I wouldn't have high hopes.



Have you read the spec yet? :-)




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  #2361144 26-Nov-2019 20:52
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Linuxluver: 

Have you read the spec yet? :-)

 

Only where it says 14,000lb tow capacity for the tri motor version.

 

Is there a link to some data on estimated range with a legally acceptable / practical on-road load? 


 
 
 
 


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  #2361145 26-Nov-2019 20:54
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Fred99:

 

Linuxluver:

I suggest you look at the spec for the Cybertrk. Especially the towing details.

 

Do they specify range though?

 

It's all very well to be able to tow 5 tonnes or whatever, but if a Model X P100 can't tow a 1300kg runabout 200km on a charge, I wouldn't have high hopes.

 

 

A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. I would expect the top specced Cybertruck with 900km to drop to around 400-500km of range while towing. It may even be better since it's so tall and deflect some of the air over the trailer. 400km of range in NZ will take you some distance


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  #2361160 26-Nov-2019 21:08
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Obraik:

 

A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. 

 

 

Was quoted as 565 and dropped to under 200 with a 1300kg boat (incl trailer weight).  That a single axle trailer, and a fairly slippery shape towed load. 

 

I suspect a drop to 400km from 900km is very optimistic - maybe possible with a very small towed load (like above) - which could be towed with a PHEV or ordinary ICE car.


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  #2361199 26-Nov-2019 22:28
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Fred99:

Obraik:


A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. 



Was quoted as 565 and dropped to under 200 with a 1300kg boat (incl trailer weight).  That a single axle trailer, and a fairly slippery shape towed load. 


I suspect a drop to 400km from 900km is very optimistic - maybe possible with a very small towed load (like above) - which could be towed with a PHEV or ordinary ICE car.



So the impact of towing on the range of an ICE doesn't matter?

Why one-eyed about an EV that can do the job?





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  #2361200 26-Nov-2019 22:32
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Linuxluver:
Fred99:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was quoted as 565 and dropped to under 200 with a 1300kg boat (incl trailer weight).  That a single axle trailer, and a fairly slippery shape towed load. 

 

 

 

I suspect a drop to 400km from 900km is very optimistic - maybe possible with a very small towed load (like above) - which could be towed with a PHEV or ordinary ICE car.

 



So the impact of towing on the range of an ICE doesn't matter?

Why one-eyed about an EV that can do the job?

 

Perhaps because 3 minutes to fill ICE in a service station is much more practical than 30-60 minutes with a boat on the back at an EV Station.

 

 

 

One-Eyed ness works in both directions. 

 

 


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  #2361203 26-Nov-2019 22:33
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Linuxluver:
Fred99:


Obraik:


 


A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. 


 



 


Was quoted as 565 and dropped to under 200 with a 1300kg boat (incl trailer weight).  That a single axle trailer, and a fairly slippery shape towed load. 


 


I suspect a drop to 400km from 900km is very optimistic - maybe possible with a very small towed load (like above) - which could be towed with a PHEV or ordinary ICE car.




So the impact of towing on the range of an ICE doesn't matter?

Why one-eyed about an EV that can do the job?


Perhaps because 3 minutes to fill ICE in a service station is much more practical than 30-60 minutes with a boat on the back at an EV Station.


 


One-Eyed ness works in both directions. 


 



So you regularly tow a boat 500km?

Really?




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  #2361206 26-Nov-2019 22:43
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So you regularly tow a boat 500km?

Really?

 

 

 

Doesn't have to be regularly, to exclude an EV from consideration. 

 

 


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  #2361208 26-Nov-2019 23:00
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Linuxluver:
Fred99:

Obraik:


A Model X has 500km of range without a trailer though. 



Was quoted as 565 and dropped to under 200 with a 1300kg boat (incl trailer weight).  That a single axle trailer, and a fairly slippery shape towed load. 


I suspect a drop to 400km from 900km is very optimistic - maybe possible with a very small towed load (like above) - which could be towed with a PHEV or ordinary ICE car.



So the impact of towing on the range of an ICE doesn't matter?

Why one-eyed about an EV that can do the job?



While there is no doubt that towing a trailer decreases the range of my ute, it most definitely does not cut it by over half - and that's when towing it's max legal of 3500kg.

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It looks as ugly as sin. I wouldn't trust anything transport related that Elon Musk puts his name behind. The man is a complete idiot.


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