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#2075982 20-Aug-2018 08:17

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The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

Maybe you know more than the expert commentators who honed onto that in the replay, to them it was clear cut.

Maybe I do but that wasn't the point as I wasn't arguing that the ball carrier's knees had not touched the ground.

I was commenting on the application of the rule: as far as I could see in the entire game nobody was penalised for holding the ball carrier after his knees touched the ground. Why is that? Why did none of "the expert commentators" call for a penalty on the other occasions where the ball carrier was held after his knees touched the ground? These are rhetorical questions.

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#2075987 20-Aug-2018 08:33

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Disallowing the try wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game anyway, lots of things get missed. For example, I saw at least three restarts from halfway from the Aussies where their player out on the wing/sideline was well in front of the kickoff.

Yes, it would not have changed the result. Was it Waholo that they kept reviewing if he was ahead of the kick one metre from the line? Over and over they checked he was a mile ahead, yet they said he was behind the kicker. At the kick he was not in the frame. A second later he was man 4 or 5 metres ahead

Unless AUS can get fit, I'll be turning it off when they fade. And its too late to get fit now. I like to watch a good game of footy, not 15 gasping players after 50 minutes, thats not a game, its a waste of everybody's time

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#2075988 20-Aug-2018 08:36

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I was commenting on the application of the rule: as far as I could see in the entire game nobody was penalised for holding the ball carrier after his knees touched the ground. Why is that? Why did none of "the expert commentators" call for a penalty on the other occasions where the ball carrier was held after his knees touched the ground? These are rhetorical questions.

I know the refs can't see everything, neither can the commentators. Would the comment be the same if it was a Wallaby's try?

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#2075990 20-Aug-2018 08:44

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Disallowing the try wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game anyway, lots of things get missed. For example, I saw at least three restarts from halfway from the Aussies where their player out on the wing/sideline was well in front of the kickoff.

Yes, it would not have changed the result. Was it Waholo that they kept reviewing if he was ahead of the kick one metre from the line? Over and over they checked he was a mile ahead, yet they said he was behind the kicker. At the kick he was not in the frame. A second later he was man 4 or 5 metres ahead

Unless AUS can get fit, I'll be turning it off when they fade. And its too late to get fit now. I like to watch a good game of footy, not 15 gasping players after 50 minutes, thats not a game, its a waste of everybody's time

At the kick, just his head was in the frame but it was hard to tell where that was in relation to the kick line. certainly a marginal call but he was not miles ahead. As the commentators said, he could of been ten meters back behind the kicker and still of scored.

I'll never turn off or walk away from an All Blacks game, no matter how the game is going for either side - never.

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#2075994 20-Aug-2018 08:51

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Disallowing the try wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game anyway, lots of things get missed. For example, I saw at least three restarts from halfway from the Aussies where their player out on the wing/sideline was well in front of the kickoff.

Yes, it would not have changed the result. Was it Waholo that they kept reviewing if he was ahead of the kick one metre from the line? Over and over they checked he was a mile ahead, yet they said he was behind the kicker. At the kick he was not in the frame. A second later he was man 4 or 5 metres ahead

Unless AUS can get fit, I'll be turning it off when they fade. And its too late to get fit now. I like to watch a good game of footy, not 15 gasping players after 50 minutes, thats not a game, its a waste of everybody's time

At the kick, just his head was in the frame but it was hard to tell where that was in relation to the kick line. certainly a marginal call but he was not miles ahead. As the commentators said, he could of been ten meters back behind the kicker and still of scored.

I'll never turn off or walk away from an All Blacks game, no matter how the game is going for either side - never.

He must run fast thats for sure.

I like a good sports match or event. I like to see them to go toe to toe and may the best man win. A loss but played great is not too bad either. But I cant be bothered watching a tennis match that goes to a tie breaker, then the second set is one tired guy being run over. That's boring and a waste of time. The game looked great for the first half, then it was the same old thing. Credit to the AB's for having the requisite fitness, and a brickbat to AUS for being tired a few minutes into the second half. That's not a game. It will be the same this weekend. I prefer a competition. That was very much there for 40 minutes

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#2075996 20-Aug-2018 08:58

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Disallowing the try wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game anyway, lots of things get missed. For example, I saw at least three restarts from halfway from the Aussies where their player out on the wing/sideline was well in front of the kickoff.

Yes, it would not have changed the result. Was it Waholo that they kept reviewing if he was ahead of the kick one metre from the line? Over and over they checked he was a mile ahead, yet they said he was behind the kicker. At the kick he was not in the frame. A second later he was man 4 or 5 metres ahead

Unless AUS can get fit, I'll be turning it off when they fade. And its too late to get fit now. I like to watch a good game of footy, not 15 gasping players after 50 minutes, thats not a game, its a waste of everybody's time

At the kick, just his head was in the frame but it was hard to tell where that was in relation to the kick line. certainly a marginal call but he was not miles ahead. As the commentators said, he could of been ten meters back behind the kicker and still of scored.

I'll never turn off or walk away from an All Blacks game, no matter how the game is going for either side - never.

He must run fast thats for sure.

I like a good sports match or event. I like to see them to go toe to toe and may the best man win. A loss but played great is not too bad either. But I cant be bothered watching a tennis match that goes to a tie breaker, then the second set is one tired guy being run over. That's boring and a waste of time. The game looked great for the first half, then it was the same old thing. Credit to the AB's for having the requisite fitness, and a brickbat to AUS for being tired a few minutes into the second half. That's not a game. It will be the same this weekend. I prefer a competition. That was very much there for 40 minutes

I love a good thrashing by the All Blacks and dislike the nailbiter games, personally.

Look forward to your comments on the full game this week then ;)

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#2075997 20-Aug-2018 09:03

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At the kick, just his head was in the frame but it was hard to tell where that was in relation to the kick line. certainly a marginal call but he was not miles ahead. As the commentators said, he could of been ten meters back behind the kicker and still of scored.

I'll never turn off or walk away from an All Blacks game, no matter how the game is going for either side - never.

At the time they showed this, I think the second replay, there is about a second that shows a slightly wider angle. From that view he was clearly behind the line.

I am with you. I would never switch off a game. If you did this you would have missed some of the amazing come backs. For example, during the English tour of SA, England were in front, I think 30 points, and SA came back to win it at the death, twice.

First Bledisloe last year the AB's scored 44 points and then Australia scored 30+ of their own in the second half. It didn't look like the AB's were going to lose it, but it was a great come back.

First half of the season last year, the Crusaders were significantly behind in almost every game, and made massive come backs, including a massive drop goal by Mitchell Hunt to break the hearts of every Highlanders fan that ever was.

You can't predict, until the whistle blows, the outcome of a game.

I am with tdgeek though, the Wallabies won't be able to get fit enough in a week. If the AB's can sustain defence the same way for maybe 60 minutes this time, they should win it.

Australia had to win on Saturday to have even the slightest chance of the series win I feel. I can't see how they could win at Eden Park.

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#2076000 20-Aug-2018 09:04

clevedon:

I love a good thrashing by the All Blacks and dislike the nailbiter games, personally.

Look forward to your comments on the full game this week then ;)

Same. I don't like nailbiters. If the AB's beat every team by 30 points that would suit me fine :)

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#2076002 20-Aug-2018 09:08

clevedon:

I love a good thrashing by the All Blacks and dislike the nailbiter games, personally.

Look forward to your comments on the full game this week then ;)

Have to admit the nail biters are stressful! A thrashing is awesome when both sides play well, that shows the cream rises to the top. Most elite sports, there is not a lot between the top teams/players, its about the detail, the X factor. But when its about a tiring player or team, thats the spectacle gone IMHO. It essentuially becomes a walkover

This week, AUS should tidy up the line out and scrum, but it will still probably be less than ideal. So the first half will be close again. They wont fade after 45 minutes, more like after 60, then as Nisbo says, AB's will run riot. I just dont get why a top tier rugger side is not prepared for an 80 minute game. They need to look at NRL, send a player to the bench for a break, send him back out later, that's really the only hope they have.

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#2076003 20-Aug-2018 09:12

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clevedon:

I love a good thrashing by the All Blacks and dislike the nailbiter games, personally.

Look forward to your comments on the full game this week then ;)

Have to admit the nail biters are stressful! A thrashing is awesome when both sides play well, that shows the cream rises to the top. Most elite sports, there is not a lot between the top teams/players, its about the detail, the X factor. But when its about a tiring player or team, thats the spectacle gone IMHO. It essentuially becomes a walkover

This week, AUS should tidy up the line out and scrum, but it will still probably be less than ideal. So the first half will be close again. They wont fade after 45 minutes, more like after 60, then as Nisbo says, AB's will run riot. I just dont get why a top tier rugger side is not prepared for an 80 minute game. They need to look at NRL, send a player to the bench for a break, send him back out later, that's really the only hope they have.

I don't think there should be a rule change to accomodate players who can't last 80 minutes. Our guys regularly last 80 minutes. If they changed the rules, then the AB's would still be winning comfortably as they have the same things they can take advantage of.

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#2076011 20-Aug-2018 09:23

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tdgeek:

clevedon:

I love a good thrashing by the All Blacks and dislike the nailbiter games, personally.

Look forward to your comments on the full game this week then ;)

Have to admit the nail biters are stressful! A thrashing is awesome when both sides play well, that shows the cream rises to the top. Most elite sports, there is not a lot between the top teams/players, its about the detail, the X factor. But when its about a tiring player or team, thats the spectacle gone IMHO. It essentuially becomes a walkover

This week, AUS should tidy up the line out and scrum, but it will still probably be less than ideal. So the first half will be close again. They wont fade after 45 minutes, more like after 60, then as Nisbo says, AB's will run riot. I just dont get why a top tier rugger side is not prepared for an 80 minute game. They need to look at NRL, send a player to the bench for a break, send him back out later, that's really the only hope they have.

I don't think there should be a rule change to accomodate players who can't last 80 minutes. Our guys regularly last 80 minutes. If they changed the rules, then the AB's would still be winning comfortably as they have the same things they can take advantage of.

Oops, forgot they cannot re use the bench, been watching too much NRL. If say they could, that would even things up a lot, AUS showed equal skill in the first half, both looked likely. Both dropped the odd ball under pressure, it was close. I felt AUS looked more dangerous when they run the ball at times. However, replacing the bench is a band aid for the inherent problem, lack of fitness. That's not acceptable for a professional sport.

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#2076269 20-Aug-2018 14:59

Bear in mind most of the Wallabies players hadn't played a game since the Super Rugby playoffs began, whereas nearly all of the All Blacks had. Match fitness is gained by playing matches, but I was surprised when the commentators mentioned it shortly after the second half started.

I think the Wallabies played really well in the first half putting on a lot of defensive pressure, I was getting really worried. But when you can't win your own ball off set-piece, it just relieves the pressure and I think the All Blacks were waiting for the Wallabies to flag because they could tell how much effort the Wallabies were putting in along with that lack of match fitness, but I think they would have been as surprised when the Wallabies dropped off so quick.

The Super Rugby dominance of NZ has played in as well, all of the Wallaby players have gotten used to standing behind the goalposts pointing fingers for their respective franchises. Was quite surprised to see Genia angrily gesturing at players after Barrett touched down on an Aussie play that fell apart but took a heck of a lot of skill from Barrett to punish them for it. Genia was the only Wallaby close to Barrett so who was he that pissed off at?

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#2076276 20-Aug-2018 15:09

How many times have we seen the AB's off to a slowish start? Often. Probably that more reflects them and the other side, then the other side gasses. Seen too often. Credit to AB's training ethic, but recent matches or not, you can train for a full match effort. In fact, easier to train as one rugby game may not have the physical impact of another, depending on your position. But you can train for it. And rugby team don't it seems, and it has the effect of opening gaps as they tire. I give no excuse, its no secret.

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#2076280 20-Aug-2018 15:13

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How many times have we seen the AB's off to a slowish start? Often. Probably that more reflects them and the other side, then the other side gasses. Seen too often. Credit to AB's training ethic, but recent matches or not, you can train for a full match effort. In fact, easier to train as one rugby game may not have the physical impact of another, depending on your position. But you can train for it. And rugby team don't it seems, and it has the effect of opening gaps as they tire. I give no excuse, its no secret.

That was really hard to read.

I don't think the AB's started that slowly this week, I think the Australians showed excellent defense. There weren't any holes. If it had kept like that all night you might have been lucky to see 1-2 tries the whole game. That kind of game is one I don't like. I like tries being scored, and I don't mind if the Wallabies score a couple too, so long as we are always 1-2 tries in front at all times :)

The Wallabies had a game against the best of the super teams that weren't selected for test duty. Same as the game of three halves, but probably harder.

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#2076289 20-Aug-2018 15:23

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tdgeek:

How many times have we seen the AB's off to a slowish start? Often. Probably that more reflects them and the other side, then the other side gasses. Seen too often. Credit to AB's training ethic, but recent matches or not, you can train for a full match effort. In fact, easier to train as one rugby game may not have the physical impact of another, depending on your position. But you can train for it. And rugby team don't it seems, and it has the effect of opening gaps as they tire. I give no excuse, its no secret.

That was really hard to read.

I don't think the AB's started that slowly this week, I think the Australians showed excellent defense. There weren't any holes. If it had kept like that all night you might have been lucky to see 1-2 tries the whole game. That kind of game is one I don't like. I like tries being scored, and I don't mind if the Wallabies score a couple too, so long as we are always 1-2 tries in front at all times :)

The Wallabies had a game against the best of the super teams that weren't selected for test duty. Same as the game of three halves, but probably harder.

I'll work on my comprinshin.. :-)

Slow to start is something I've heard on and off. I agree fully, I always see the "slow start" as a tough game for both sides. Saturday was exactly that, they both looked great, great ball skills, a few dropsies under pressure to try to create something. That was great albeit stressful. But such a hard watch after. I;m all for a big win but when we play them and we win, not them tire. I like to see them all show their wares, all game, the score will look after itself. But not when its one side tiring. Its like a half game to me, but that's just me.

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