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#2325683 27-Sep-2019 07:58

Also Farrell was on the receiving end of the red card last night. Which you kind of feel is bad, but then you remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDtmZEpJxA

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI56y1avY6c

and again against Scotland which I'm finding a hard time finding footage of.

Anyway, he's a dirty player and has been hitting others this way for years. As soon as someone gives an English player a taste of their own medicine, World Rugby suddenly decides to uphold a dangerous play red card.

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#2325699 27-Sep-2019 08:36

GV27:
Also Farrell was on the receiving end of the red card last night. Which you kind of feel is bad, but then you remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDtmZEpJxA

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI56y1avY6c

and again against Scotland which I'm finding a hard time finding footage of.

Anyway, he's a dirty player and has been hitting others this way for years. As soon as someone gives an English player a taste of their own medicine, World Rugby suddenly decides to uphold a dangerous play red card.

While my first thought was of the poetic justice of Farrell being on the receiving end of the physical damage (wrt his history of similar actions), I believe the plethora of cards has more to do with the rocket that the referees got after last weekend's games to bring them into line with the IRB's warnings prior to the competition.
Unfortunately it may mean that sanctions swing the other way, where we may be lucky to see a game that isn't influenced by a red or yellow card.

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#2325726 27-Sep-2019 09:26

Ahahahah

https://rugbyonslaught.com/england-should-have-been-red-carded-in-the-first-minute-of-their-game-against-the-usa/

It's like they're not even trying anymore.

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#2325777 27-Sep-2019 10:35

GV27:
Ahahahah

https://rugbyonslaught.com/england-should-have-been-red-carded-in-the-first-minute-of-their-game-against-the-usa/

It's like they're not even trying anymore.

That's the one.
The standards are not being applied consistently.
That's the issue I have.

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#2325782 27-Sep-2019 10:43

tdgeek:

Its not players taking the mickey, its the countries. If you read the article its a joke, its a mockery of national competition.

What is reasonable? There is a clear gap between an example such as Pocock and the joke of imports in this RWC, some examples as bolded. If the organisers, who I note are also complaining, cannot differentiate between blatant stacking of teams with non Nationals, they need to revisit their role in the sport

Im surprised at the reaction to my simple post. Its as though I am bashing rugby or the RWC, I'm bashing those teams that p1ss in the face of the meaning of the RWC, its a 4 yearly, pinnacle of Rugby, Nationals teams, big and small all together in one place for 6 weeks. Yet its no big deal to fudge the games, instead of watching a spectacle

There is no shortage of spectacle as a result of the players who aren't born in the country they play for. It's been a fantastic tournament so far, I expect it to continue this way till the end.

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#2325829 27-Sep-2019 10:57

Thats not what I wrote, went over your head. The spectacle of a RWC that is between various nations. Not about a mish mash of players imported in and not about various nations competing then its all fine. I prefered the previous arrangement. You get rugby both ways, and you get a competition between Nations one way

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#2325833 27-Sep-2019 11:10

Yet its no big deal to fudge the games, instead of watching a spectacle

THAT is what you wrote, THAT is what I responded to. It certainly did NOT go over my head. With your apparent "fudging" of eligibility as you put it, it's still a spectacle.

How far back in Rugby do you think you have to go to find not a single "import"? Or in fact any sport.

Even your definition of import seems confused. You are Ok with imported coaches, not players. Surely for it to be a truly National competition and representitive of the skills available from that country, you need to ensure the coaches were born there too. Physios, Managers, Medical staff.

This line in this thread is not a Rugby discussion, it's a general sport discussion, may I suggest you start another thread?

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#2325840 27-Sep-2019 11:20

Seems they are a bit slow but are getting there:

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/482506

Vindicated!

I expect Piers Francis will be cited in the next 24 hours too.

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#2325841 27-Sep-2019 11:20

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Yet its no big deal to fudge the games, instead of watching a spectacle

THAT is what you wrote, THAT is what I responded to. It certainly did NOT go over my head. With your apparent "fudging" of eligibility as you put it, it's still a spectacle.

How far back in Rugby do you think you have to go to find not a single "import"? Or in fact any sport.

Even your definition of import seems confused. You are Ok with imported coaches, not players. Surely for it to be a truly National competition and representitive of the skills available from that country, you need to ensure the coaches were born there too. Physios, Managers, Medical staff.

This line in this thread is not a Rugby discussion, it's a general sport discussion, may I suggest you start another thread?

My context was spectacle of Nation A vs Nation B

Whats the issue if I prefer that? Its a world cup, nations vs nations. If you are happy that nations vs nations which involves short period imports of unrelated players for the sole purpose of boosting/fudging a country's results, then that's fine. But dont come heavy handed with me just because I prefer a genuine set of a nations players vs another genuine set of nations players. Same old drama, you take your "opinion" as correct, everyone else is wrong , no wonder you get taken on here frequently. Everyone is allowed an opinion, there is no need to get defensive and upset.

Its a RWC 2019 point not a general sport question.

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#2325871 27-Sep-2019 11:52

networkn:

Seems they are a bit slow but are getting there:

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/482506

Vindicated!

I expect Piers Francis will be cited in the next 24 hours too.

Still an ongoing issue of Tier One teams getting to keep players on the field while others get sent off at the time and cited.

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#2325878 27-Sep-2019 11:59

Why must you make things personal? There is simply no need for it. I am disputing your argument with my own views. You are entitled to your opinion for sure, but expressing it publically, especially if it's not logical or consistent in it's presentation (ie coaches are ok players aren't), means others are free to provide an alternative viewpoint (even passionately). I suggested you start another thread, because unless you feel the way you do, only about Rugby, when it's clearly present in pretty much every "World Cup" of other sports, it's a general sport issue not Rugby specific one.

Otherwise, if everyone has had their say, let's just move on with discussing the actual Rugby.

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#2325885 27-Sep-2019 12:10

GV27:

Still an ongoing issue of Tier One teams getting to keep players on the field while others get sent off at the time and cited.

I can see how that view is being formed, however in this game, I saw that tackle and thought it was high, but the player got up and carried on. Farrel by comparison lay prone and had blood and that garnered the attention of the referee and TMO. Perhaps we need players to hollywood it up more (I am actually categorically against Rugby going in the direction of Football for this for the record) to ensure these incidents are picked up at the same.

I do wonder, and it was discussed quite a while ago in this thread, if the captain of each team is given 2 reviews that allows them to insist a referee video reviews an incident be it suspected foul play, or where the team feels they scored but the referee didn't feel it was worthy of review?

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#2325931 27-Sep-2019 12:32

networkn:

Why must you make things personal? There is simply no need for it. I am disputing your argument with my own views. You are entitled to your opinion for sure, but expressing it publically, especially if it's not logical or consistent in it's presentation (ie coaches are ok players aren't), means others are free to provide an alternative viewpoint (even passionately). I suggested you start another thread, because unless you feel the way you do, only about Rugby, when it's clearly present in pretty much every "World Cup" of other sports, it's a general sport issue not Rugby specific one.

Otherwise, if everyone has had their say, let's just move on with discussing the actual Rugby.

If you would discuss the points instead of jumping up and down calling everything nonsense, when its not nonsense, then maybe such discussions can remains as discussions. Take Handle for example he doesn't get angry and emotive, nonsense this, nonsense that, he pops his points down, responds to mine, presses send. Thats it. That's why you dont see people bashing him every few weeks here.

Not logical or consistent? How so? The post was actually a article on the subject of 3 year "Nationals". That article was quite clear, not illogical or inconsistent. Although I have no idea why David Pocock etc was mentioned, he is not a 3 year wonder that turns up from an unrelated country

The way I feel? I passed on a news article. I thought it was relevant, it is certainly factual. I'm not aware that Japan for one example imports near half its entire squad (15) every RWC? Had you mentioned on sentence 1 that this is in fact the case it happens every RWC that one and more teams short term import for the RWC then the post would have no further need. Instead its the usual emotive response as if you or rugby or RWC were being targeted. It was merely a two line post mentioning one article of interest, that's ll it ever was.

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#2326088 27-Sep-2019 15:14

I'm out on this topic, it's getting a bit silly and everyone needs to chill out. I agree if @tdgeek wants to keep going with this it should have its own thread.

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#2326104 27-Sep-2019 16:08

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/399759/rugby-world-cup-the-sad-truth-about-the-pacific-nations

Is that a fair summary or am I being a bit harsh? Perhaps I should've mentioned how the All Blacks also cynically select players of Pacific descent for a Test or two, safe in the knowledge they'll never become regulars in the team.

Yes, that player does then have 'All Black' on his CV, but the bottom line is a potential 50-Test career for Samoa or Tonga is over before it even began.

We, as New Zealand Rugby, will then turn around and say it's such a shame that so and so can't play for the Pacific nation of their heritage. Forgetting, of course, that it was selection in the All Blacks which precluded that.

"We" as New Zealand Rugby keep lobbying the Home Unions who have a stranglehold on the structure and eligibility rules to stop being dicks. Forgetting, of course, this kind of lazy 'New Zealand deprives Island teams of talent' was a hot topic until there were more Samoans and Tongans in the English teams than there were in the All Blacks, and everyone magically shut up about it.

But what's a few inconvenient facts between friends.

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