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#2327086 30-Sep-2019 12:45

Kerevi has a bad habit of leading (and fending) with his forearm and elbow. It’s been a part of his play for quite a while and is as bad as fending a player off with your fist. It was evident in the Bledisloe Cup. But he’s not the only one who does it, and it is dangerous.

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#2327093 30-Sep-2019 13:06

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Kerevi has a bad habit of leading (and fending) with his forearm and elbow. It’s been a part of his play for quite a while and is as bad as fending a player off with your fist. It was evident in the Bledisloe Cup. But he’s not the only one who does it, and it is dangerous.

That's a good point. Boys at work are 50 50 on this split down the middle

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#2327094 30-Sep-2019 13:10

So, who is left standing as genuine contenders for the cup? If you believe that you can't win the cup if you lose in pool play, that removes Australia, South Africa and Ireland. NZ, England, and Wales would be more likely, probably in that order?

In reality, I am not sure I'd write off any of those absoloutely, though Ireland I am less confident of.

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#2327095 30-Sep-2019 13:11

Yup. Seems pretty onerous to ping tacklers when players are falling if you're going to allow aggressive defense from the ball carriers that is equally as dangerous. This has also been penalised before when it was leading with the knee to bump off tacklers, so this is nothing new.

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#2327101 30-Sep-2019 13:37

Dingbatt:

Kerevi has a bad habit of leading (and fending) with his forearm and elbow. It’s been a part of his play for quite a while and is as bad as fending a player off with your fist. It was evident in the Bledisloe Cup. But he’s not the only one who does it, and it is dangerous.

For me I'd guess it would depend on if there is a striking action.

I initially thought the Hooper penalty was play on, but actually he does not just accept contact in that collision he pushes back and applies upward force at the same time. I had more issue with that, than the fact it was "late" per se.

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#2327140 30-Sep-2019 15:11

Anyone seen the Stuff article?

In it they have drawn a line through the middle of the ruck. Its pretty common knowledge the offside line is hind-most feet, in which case that still suggests the Aussies may have something else to be aggrieved about, just need to go back a couple frames.

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#2327162 30-Sep-2019 15:46

More or less the squad I was expecting. Ioane gets another chance as expected. Mo'unga at 10 and a few interesting options for who finishes in the 10 Jersey.

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#2327165 30-Sep-2019 15:51

itxtme:

Anyone seen the Stuff article?

In it they have drawn a line through the middle of the ruck. Its pretty common knowledge the offside line is hind-most feet, in which case that still suggests the Aussies may have something else to be aggrieved about, just need to go back a couple frames.

It's also measured when the ball is clear of the ruck e.g. when it's picked up and clear of the last man's foot on the attacking team, not when the halfback finally decides to pass it.

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#2327166 30-Sep-2019 15:53

One thing that is irking me, is when the ball is considered clear of the ruck so that the ball/halfback can be legally attacked. It seems pretty inconsistent, but I must admit I struggled to understand the rule(s) for it in the first place.

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#2327179 30-Sep-2019 16:01

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Batman: Penalty for running into upright tackler's neck. Can't make this stuff up.

It's one extreme to the other. First, they weren't punishing anything, now they are punishing the slightest thing. Maybe round 3 the balance will be right?

Nice to see the English favoritism continues:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/29/england-piers-francis-rugby-world-cup-cleared-citing-dismisse

By the flow chart it is a yellow card (contact with the head but mitigation from the US player dropping). Not sure how that is favoritism.

Because a) it wasn't sanctioned on the pitch in any way, and b) the Uruguayan red last night was very similar, in fact I'd say the Uruguay player was even unluckier as he was tackling falling player who was already being tackled by someone else.

Francis, by comparison, charged into the tackle area recklessly and made contact with the shoulder with no interference from any other player. Yet one was given a red and the other got off completely scot-free.

Lol, the refereeing on the field is a mess but I wouldn't say it favours any side. When you make ridiculous rules you get inconsistencies.

I thought Michael Hooper made an excellent point that rugby is meant to be an 80 minute game, not a 95 minute game. The incessant TMO interventions are ruining the flow and breaking the he.

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#2327249 30-Sep-2019 18:35

networkn:

One thing that is irking me, is when the ball is considered clear of the ruck so that the ball/halfback can be legally attacked. It seems pretty inconsistent, but I must admit I struggled to understand the rule(s) for it in the first place.

Not only is it in inconsistent, it's virtually impossible for the ref to judge correctly unless he's far enough away that he can't effectively police the breakdown.

The difference between a good halfback and a great halfback used to be clearing from the base of the ruck without taking a step or getting some speed up before passing. But that doesn't seem to happen as much anymore and almost everyone takes a few steps back, probably to get closer to ever-more staggered backlines looking for room in an age of rush defence.

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#2327366 30-Sep-2019 23:18

GV27:

itxtme:

Anyone seen the Stuff article?

In it they have drawn a line through the middle of the ruck. Its pretty common knowledge the offside line is hind-most feet, in which case that still suggests the Aussies may have something else to be aggrieved about, just need to go back a couple frames.

It's also measured when the ball is clear of the ruck e.g. when it's picked up and clear of the last man's foot on the attacking team, not when the halfback finally decides to pass it.

Article has change its tune lols

Stuff (same article revision 2):

Regrettably, it had the offside line in the wrong place.

On the advice of a referee, this screen shot has been redrawn, with the offside line correctly placed, in line with the hindmost Welsh foot.

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#2327370 1-Oct-2019 03:11

itxtme:
GV27:

itxtme:

Anyone seen the Stuff article?

In it they have drawn a line through the middle of the ruck. Its pretty common knowledge the offside line is hind-most feet, in which case that still suggests the Aussies may have something else to be aggrieved about, just need to go back a couple frames.

It's also measured when the ball is clear of the ruck e.g. when it's picked up and clear of the last man's foot on the attacking team, not when the halfback finally decides to pass it.

Article has change its tune lols

Stuff (same article revision 2):

Regrettably, it had the offside line in the wrong place.

On the advice of a referee, this screen shot has been redrawn, with the offside line correctly placed, in line with the hindmost Welsh foot.

It looked fine. Genia took a step back a wound up before his pass. It reminded me a bit of when Aaron Smith got caught by Far de Clerk last year.

The ruck ends when the halfback lifts the ball, not when he passes it. Davies had pretty clearly seen this on video as he was sprinting from the defensive line, it wasn't opportunistic.

Edit: du Plessis / de Klerk. What a faf up

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#2328220 2-Oct-2019 00:55

One thing that I hope never happens again is bringing in a major change in refereeing policy weeks before a world cup.

Bringing this in at the end of May has been a recipe for disaster. It sets the referees and judiciary up as they haven't had a reasonable period of time for it to settle down and be adjusted to something practical. Coupled with the relatively weak refereeing stocks at the moment it's making this tournament a mess, when it didn't have to happen.

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#2328231 2-Oct-2019 06:33

insight to english rugby. very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/user/BTSportOfficial/search?query=rugby+wayne+barnes

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