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#2678195 22-Mar-2021 09:35

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Reece is allowed to challenge in the air, he had eyes only for the ball. I think there have been some great contests in the air, and some great tries scored from those, however, it's a massive risk and everytime I see the ball go high I cringe at what's coming.

Not in the way he did it, though, which is why he was initially the one who was penalised.

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#2678325 22-Mar-2021 11:37

16 point difference was too big for the run of the game but that can happen in games.

The one thing that irks me about the Super Rugby is how long penalty advantages go for. If the team goes for 5 plus phases or over a minute call advantage over.

The only time I would consider going back if it is a red or yellow card offence.

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#2678346 22-Mar-2021 12:03

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16 point difference was too big for the run of the game but that can happen in games.

The one thing that irks me about the Super Rugby is how long penalty advantages go for. If the team goes for 5 plus phases or over a minute call advantage over.

The only time I would consider going back if it is a red or yellow card offence.

I'd like to see the Crusaders reduce the penalties they are giving away in the first 15 minutes of each match. They have improved through the season, however, they were probably very lucky not to lose someone to the bin on their own line at the start of the game. Had it not have been for the Scrum penalty against the Blues they certainly would have. I did find it farcical to overturn a penalty to the Crusaders for a push, when not 5 minutes earlier the Blues did the same exact thing, when they won their first one, to him. I am not a fan of Paul Williams. He was overly authoritative in my opinion.

I think the Crusaders forwards had dominance, but ultimately, the difference in the match was probably discipline.

God help us if Cody Taylor or Richie Mo'unga get injured. Codie Taylor has been a total monster in the past two seasons. Other than his confrontational nature, I think CT is comfortably ahead of Dane Coles at Hooker, and there is absolute daylight between second and 3rd place. Like at half-back, I really worry about what we have coming through.

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#2678404 22-Mar-2021 12:38

It is the first time I have heard the ref ask “Do you want the advantage?”

Paul Williams asked Brin Hall after a penalty advantage had run through a couple of phases. While I realise a penalty advantage runs longer than one that results in a scrum, I thought it was up to the ref to call it or there was a new infringement by the team in possession. Not in coordination with the attacking team by the ref.

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#2678806 22-Mar-2021 20:41

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It is the first time I have heard the ref ask “Do you want the advantage?”

Paul Williams asked Brin Hall after a penalty advantage had run through a couple of phases. While I realise a penalty advantage runs longer than one that results in a scrum, I thought it was up to the ref to call it or there was a new infringement by the team in possession. Not in coordination with the attacking team by the ref.

It's probably only the second time or third, I think it makes sense. It potentially could make the game flow better. I am not sure.

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#2678808 22-Mar-2021 20:47

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France Wales was absolutely bonkers. The Six nations will now come down to France Scotland on Friday night.

The Six Nations really is the best tournament almost every year. The rugby is different to southern hemisphere rugby but the competition is of a far more consistent standard than the Rugby Championship. Five of the six teams are competitive every week and could win every game. That hasn't been the case in the Rugby Championship for some time.

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You aren't wrong about how bonkers that was. I was only able to find the extended highlights, but even that, I was shaking my head. Nail biter though, could have gone either way. I am a little tempted to try and find the full game, but with the extended highlight and knowing the result and the major developments perhaps not worth it. If I was going to watch a single game from the 6 nations this year, which one would you say was the best?

I don't have the same confidence that you have, that France will be hard to beat by the RWC 2023. It's a long time. Look at England compared to 2 years ago, pretty much a shadow of where they were I think. Obviously it's a different part of the cycle, but this is about where England were 4 years ago, and they timed their run pretty well for the RWC, France I suspect may peak at the wrong time. Pretty lightweight observation from me though, as I haven't been able to watch many of the full games of the 6 Nations.

I would have said 4 of the 6 teams are consistently good, Scotland and Italy barely seem in the same league as the others.

Are you thinking Eddie Jones wants to take England to the next RWC, or are they already lining up his replacement?

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#2678819 22-Mar-2021 21:05

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France Wales was absolutely bonkers. The Six nations will now come down to France Scotland on Friday night.

The Six Nations really is the best tournament almost every year. The rugby is different to southern hemisphere rugby but the competition is of a far more consistent standard than the Rugby Championship. Five of the six teams are competitive every week and could win every game. That hasn't been the case in the Rugby Championship for some time.

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You aren't wrong about how bonkers that was. I was only able to find the extended highlights, but even that, I was shaking my head. Nail biter though, could have gone either way. I am a little tempted to try and find the full game, but with the extended highlight and knowing the result and the major developments perhaps not worth it. If I was going to watch a single game from the 6 nations this year, which one would you say was the best?

I don't have the same confidence that you have, that France will be hard to beat by the RWC 2023. It's a long time. Look at England compared to 2 years ago, pretty much a shadow of where they were I think. Obviously it's a different part of the cycle, but this is about where England were 4 years ago, and they timed their run pretty well for the RWC, France I suspect may peak at the wrong time. Pretty lightweight observation from me though, as I haven't been able to watch many of the full games of the 6 Nations.

I would have said 4 of the 6 teams are consistently good, Scotland and Italy barely seem in the same league as the others.

Are you thinking Eddie Jones wants to take England to the next RWC, or are they already lining up his replacement?

You can find most of the games on BBC iPlayer or ITV hub. You'll need some form of technical means to view them.

Scotland can play some beautiful rugby and every year will knock over at least one of the bigger teams. Last year it was France, this year England.Italy are road kill and the games aren't worth watching.

England France was probably the best game this year with Wales France being just a bit mad. The first half of England France was just brilliant, I don't think there was a penalty for the first 15 minutes.

The scary thing about France is their depth. They are very deep, especially at fly half. Most of their team is from the under 20s teams that won in 2018 and 2019. They have radically changed their age group system and it's really paid dividends for them.

It's hard to argue with Dupont being the best player in the world now. The only thing he hasn't done is dominate in the southern hemisphere, mainly from lack of opportunity.

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#2678875 22-Mar-2021 23:15

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Jas777:

16 point difference was too big for the run of the game but that can happen in games.

The one thing that irks me about the Super Rugby is how long penalty advantages go for. If the team goes for 5 plus phases or over a minute call advantage over.

The only time I would consider going back if it is a red or yellow card offence.

I'd like to see the Crusaders reduce the penalties they are giving away in the first 15 minutes of each match. They have improved through the season, however, they were probably very lucky not to lose someone to the bin on their own line at the start of the game. Had it not have been for the Scrum penalty against the Blues they certainly would have. I did find it farcical to overturn a penalty to the Crusaders for a push, when not 5 minutes earlier the Blues did the same exact thing, when they won their first one, to him. I am not a fan of Paul Williams. He was overly authoritative in my opinion.

I think the Crusaders forwards had dominance, but ultimately, the difference in the match was probably discipline.

God help us if Cody Taylor or Richie Mo'unga get injured. Codie Taylor has been a total monster in the past two seasons. Other than his confrontational nature, I think CT is comfortably ahead of Dane Coles at Hooker, and there is absolute daylight between second and 3rd place. Like at half-back, I really worry about what we have coming through.

I think right now, the thing that makes the Crusaders so hard to beat, is that they are the best team in the competition at absorbing pressure, and then still having enough in the tank, to turn the screws once they sense momentum shift, or their opponent tire slightly. To me at least against the Blues, the Crusaders didn't really drop a level when the bench was on. It was almost seamless. They didn't seem to lose their cohesiveness. That hasn't been the case always, but it certainly felt that way Sunday.

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#2679500 23-Mar-2021 20:08

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It wasn't a neck roll, he didn't land on his head and it was just a penalty for going over the 180. Intent here should probably matter more than outcomes, seems like a bit of a hole in how that 'dangerous play' is worked through. The fact the throw was so clean ended up working in his favour, which is nuts.

Having said that, Reece seems to give away at least one penalty for a dangerous challenge in the air every week. No excuses for just flying into the contest area at full speed, the outcomes are only ever going to be dangerous. Again, another situation where outcomes shouldn't get you off the hook for blatantly reckless play.

Ekland got 6 weeks for what they considered to be a Red Card offence which has been reduced to 3 weeks.

Tuungafasi has been cited, but is apparently going to defend, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get 6 weeks, and since I think he has been done before, I don't expect him to get much in the way of mitigation.

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#2681107 26-Mar-2021 14:42

I find the citing commission entirely baffling. Tu'ungafasi being cleared of foul play is just nonsense if Ekland was due 6 weeks. He made contact with the jaw, it's been Red in every other instance recently, it was deemed worthy of citation. I wonder what changed between them thinking they had seen enough in video footage, to thinking the opposite during the hearing.

I am looking forward to a weekend where I don't have a horse in the race, makes for a somewhat more relaxing weekend :)

I think this is a fairly balanced view of Paul Williams refereeing over the past few weeks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/patrick-mckendry-the-confusing-super-rugby-moment-the-cameras-missed/TRVERVC7R645LJ636ARQBYQQAY/

I am not sure what I'd have correctly termed the way he was speaking to the players and the interactions to protests by players at decisions, but "no, no, no, no! Go, Move!" (and other similar ones), seemed over the top even if he was determined to stamp his authority. I, like McKendry, hope he will take a break and come back better.

Predictions are Highlanders will win against the Hurricanes, home advantage will be too much for a Hurricanes side to inconsistent in the way it's playing. They are either on fire more or less all over the place.

Blues will comfortably win over the Chiefs, who were possibly a little lucky to win last week, and against a Blues team coming off a loss.

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#2681110 26-Mar-2021 14:55

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Predictions are Highlanders will win against the Hurricanes, home advantage will be too much for a Hurricanes side to inconsistent in the way it's playing. They are either on fire more or less all over the place.

Blues will comfortably win over the Chiefs, who were possibly a little lucky to win last week, and against a Blues team coming off a loss.

Agree with both of these

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#2681203 26-Mar-2021 16:42

I'm yet to watch a game of Super Rugby this season, which is something I would never have said 10 years ago. I just can't get excited by a 5 team league. I would much prefer they play an expanded NPC. SRA served a purpose last year, this year the novelty has worn off for me.

On another note, congrats to Richie McCaw, Sportsperson of the decade at the Halbergs. Can't argue with two RWC trophies!

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#2681208 26-Mar-2021 16:57

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I find the citing commission entirely baffling. Tu'ungafasi being cleared of foul play is just nonsense if Ekland was due 6 weeks. He made contact with the jaw, it's been Red in every other instance recently, it was deemed worthy of citation. I wonder what changed between them thinking they had seen enough in video footage, to thinking the opposite during the hearing.

It seems fairly straightforward. It was a glancing blow rather than direct contact with force therefore the degree of danger is low. Principal contact was with the shoulder. That's yellow according to the framework.

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#2681215 26-Mar-2021 17:15

On the judiciary topic England Rugby are doing really useful and simple twitter posts for each judiciary decision. It makes it very transparent how they are applying the process. I don't like the way the high tackle framework is applied but it is giving consistent and easily understood judiciary decisions.

Here's an example.

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#2681405 27-Mar-2021 13:39

Scotland v France was pretty good. France played terribly, and Scotland put them under a lot of pressure especially in the first half an hour, then basically penaltied themselves out of a controlling position, it was fairly odd. It was an amazing last 15 minutes. So many of those ball carriers for Scotland looked totally empty, and yet they kept coming. I was really happy for Scotland, they deserved to win. They probably should have won by more. If they had been able to keep their composure... There were some great kicks as well. Didn't agree with the Red Card.

I thought Barnes had a decent game, I wasn't surprised to see them miss at least 1 forward pass. One thing I think he could do better, is communicate just a fraction faster "tackle" call, it would make the game move faster for the offense. I think most the Southern Hemisphere referees communicate that better.

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