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#2697403 23-Apr-2021 21:43

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I wonder if he actually will have to kill someone before something gets done or he learns. He should be spending a long time on the sidelines.

Lol. Killing someone with a high tackle? Hyperbole much?

No it's not. How long ago was it when someone dying in a game of cricket was scoffed at. But it's happened due to aggressive play. So how long until we get to some dying or being paralysed due to high tackling. Oh yeah, that's already happened.

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#2697407 23-Apr-2021 21:53

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Lol. Killing someone with a high tackle? Hyperbole much?

No it's not. How long ago was it when someone dying in a game of cricket was scoffed at. But it's happened due to aggressive play. So how long until we get to some dying or being paralysed due to high tackling. Oh yeah, that's already happened.

Do you have a citation for people being killed by being tackled high? I've read a few tacklers dying and some bad scrum incidents but of course there's very little being done to make the game safer.

Making the game safe is impossible, this is about mitigating liability. You may as well try and eliminate knockons by making them a red card offence. If they want to make the game safer they need to change the rules, not just ramp up the punishment.

There's a very real contrast with cricket - cricket has acknowledged the danger for many many years. Ewen Chatfields incident in the 1970s proved that.

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#2697408 23-Apr-2021 22:01

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Do you have a citation for people being killed by being tackled high? I've read a few tacklers dying and some bad scrum incidents but of course there's very little being done to make the game safer.

Making the game safe is impossible, this is about mitigating liability. You may as well try and eliminate knockons by making them a red card offence. If they want to make the game safer they need to change the rules, not just ramp up the punishment.

There's a very real contrast with cricket - cricket has acknowledged the danger for many many years. Ewen Chatfields incident in the 1970s proved that.

Sorry I will have to search for those but I certainly recall incidents in the UK with both high tackles and scrum incidents back in the early 2000's before i moved to NZ

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#2697410 23-Apr-2021 22:08

The stats I've seen are around 75% of head injuries are to the tackler. I haven't seen any efforts to make the game safer for the tackler but that is where the biggest problem is. The days of swinging arms and shoulder charges are pretty much gone. These days it's far far more likely to be a tackle gone wrong than a deliberate act.

There's no doubt head injuries are a real problem but it's a full contact sport. Head injuries are completely inevitable. The way professional rugby is played makes that even more likely.

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#2697467 24-Apr-2021 08:20

What a messy affair the Chiefs/Hurricanes game was last night. All reports point to McKenzie’s ‘clutch’ 82nd minute penalty goal to win the match, but the Chiefs shouldn’t have put themselves in that position in the first place.

Their scrum was dominant, and ultimately secured the penalty, but their lineout was fair to awful. When I saw that Bryn Gatland was starting at 10 my heart sank. The last time he started there was the last game the Chiefs lost this year, and his play was average at best in the first half. Then there was his 2 minutes of brilliance in the second half that led to his try. He really hit his straps in the second half, combining well with McKenzie to set things up from the back in numerous counterattacks. But for a lack of handling, the Chiefs could have had three more tries.

The Hurricanes 10 (Love?) was their weak link in the backline. Obviously a rookie, he seemed unable to put what is a pretty potent backline into effective attacking positions. A lot of the attack was generated by Barrett, but he couldn’t do everything. The Gatland/McKenzie combo worked better than the Love/Barrett in that respect.

In the end the Chiefs superior forward pack won the day. I think the Hurricanes missed Savea more than the Chiefs missed Cane.

Edit: This time last season it was Barrett who broke Chiefs fans hearts by slotting a full time penalty to steal the win.

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#2697470 24-Apr-2021 09:09

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I'd guarantee you would see tackles like that in many many club games and they frequently don't get penalised.

He's playing second division rugby with no TMO and the referees aren't the best. All sorts of stuff gets let go when the game can't be dissected frame by frame, which incidentally is one of my problems with the high tackle framework as it's currently applied.

It's totally irrelevant what level he is playing at, he is one of the highest paid Rugby players in the world, who despite his repeated comments he will do something about his unacceptable tackle technique, continues to tackle in a way that puts his opposition at risk of severe injury.

If anything, he should be setting a good example to the players in the lower league. It got missed by the referee(s), but it shouldn't have happened in the first place, especially as an elite level player. An occasional accidental high tackle is somewhat unavoidable, but that tackle, no mitigating circumstances.

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#2698190 26-Apr-2021 16:28

I daren't not have wished for that scoreline between the Blues and Crusaders. The Blues decision to double open side really worked very well , they were pinching ball almost at will. The real issue last night was the handling by the Blues and some of their decision making.

Sometimes I laugh at the inconsistency of the calls from the commentators as to what should and shouldn't be yellow etc.

I see Moody is gone for the season pretty much, that's pretty unfortunate.

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#2698308 26-Apr-2021 18:20

Cody Taylor was lucky not to be pinged for a couple of professional fouls, like running an obstructive line through a ruck to get back on side.

Reece picking Clark’s pocket in a tackle (ie stripping the ball) was emblematic of the whole game.

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#2698314 26-Apr-2021 18:41

Ruru was milking those slow retreats for all they were worth. No chance in one of them that hit a player directly, was he actually passing to that location, no Blues player there. If he had passed to the location of the actual first reciever, wouldn't have gone near him.

Reece had his best game this year, possibly for a few weeks of last year as well, he was everywhere and mostly did really well. I'm a bit over his football theatrics though. The Crusaders really shut down the Blues attacking weapons.

Crusaders scrum looks pretty shaky honestly. The Chiefs had their wicked way all night long last week, hopefully, in the final they don't do the same thing.

I haven't checked on the season long stats how many tackles are missed on average, but 16 and 18 from last nights game seemed a lot. Havilli has to be the most under rated player in the comp right now. Him and Mo'unga did some great stuff as dual play makers last night.

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#2698522 27-Apr-2021 06:11

The strategy of getting rugby back on prime time FTA TV seems to be paying dividends for Australian rugby. The games are attractive and it's getting people to watch and come back to rugby. They are.coming from a terrible base so they have some room to move but this is very good news. I hope it continues and they can rebuild as a rugby nation.

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ratings-up-an-average-of-144-as-harvey-norman-super-rugby-au-prepares-for-finals-2021426-news

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#2698730 27-Apr-2021 13:07

Handle9: The strategy of getting rugby back on prime time FTA TV seems to be paying dividends for Australian rugby. The games are attractive and it's getting people to watch and come back to rugby. They are.coming from a terrible base so they have some room to move but this is very good news. I hope it continues and they can rebuild as a rugby nation.

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ratings-up-an-average-of-144-as-harvey-norman-super-rugby-au-prepares-for-finals-2021426-news

It's been a season of two halves for them. Wasn't a huge number of tries being scored and tries that were scored were off the back of really poor defense (Warratahs took their social distancing responsibilities super-seriously this season!)

Not sure how they will shape up internationally this season, it's always fairly hard to predict. I wonder how many of the Warratahs will be the test side this year?

I think with COVID preventing stadium attendances, it was smart to make the games FTA, it removed a barrier to access I guess.

The most encouraging thing is player registrations up.

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#2699320 28-Apr-2021 19:41

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Handle9: The strategy of getting rugby back on prime time FTA TV seems to be paying dividends for Australian rugby. The games are attractive and it's getting people to watch and come back to rugby. They are.coming from a terrible base so they have some room to move but this is very good news. I hope it continues and they can rebuild as a rugby nation.

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ratings-up-an-average-of-144-as-harvey-norman-super-rugby-au-prepares-for-finals-2021426-news

It's been a season of two halves for them. Wasn't a huge number of tries being scored and tries that were scored were off the back of really poor defense (Warratahs took their social distancing responsibilities super-seriously this season!)

Not sure how they will shape up internationally this season, it's always fairly hard to predict. I wonder how many of the Warratahs will be the test side this year?

I think with COVID preventing stadium attendances, it was smart to make the games FTA, it removed a barrier to access I guess.

The most encouraging thing is player registrations up.

Prioritising FTA was a strategic decision made pre-covid. Pay TV is a disaster to get engagement outside of the existing fan base. Making sport more accessible drives interest and makes it more relevant.

That ship sailed in NZ a long time ago but anti-siphoning laws seem to have saved some sports from themselves.

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#2700240 30-Apr-2021 20:17

Pablo Matera joins the Crusaders 2022. If he plays like he did last year it would be a good signing. Surprised at the announcement though!

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#2700263 30-Apr-2021 21:11

A nice try-fest to finish the SRA for the Highlanders and the Hurricanes.

The Hurricanes finally put together a performance they have been promising all season.

I’m not sure what happened to the team that beat the Crusaders, but the Highlanders seemed brittle. Some fantastic moves that just stuttered at vital moments, particularly in the second half.

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#2700318 1-May-2021 00:39

networkn: Pablo Matera joins the Crusaders 2022. If he plays like he did last year it would be a good signing. Surprised at the announcement though!

Not really. Cullen Grace is a 6 trying to play 8 but it not his true position. Douglas is sliding down the other side of the slope.
The best thing about it is that he can do some number 7 stuff which is lacking now that christie is hurt.

The worst affected from this would be Sione Havili Talitui

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